About it every 35 to 40 days we get a major profit-taking event occur in the stock market. In bull markets that's all it is, a profit-taking event. In a bear market it is a resumption of the cyclical downtrend triggered by deteriorating fundamentals. It still remains to be seen whether or not stocks have rolled over into another cyclical bear market.
However we are entering the timing band for one of those daily cycle corrections. It's not unusual to see this begin as a profit-taking event on the employment report, as we enter earnings season.
As long as earnings season meets expectations then that is all this should be, just a profit-taking event. However, if earnings season disappoints then this could intensify significantly. If in addition we start to see stress in the European debt market escalate it would magnify the rally in the dollar increasing the downward pressure as stocks begin the move down into that cycle low. Let's face it the problems in Europe aren't going away. The cancer in the debt markets is going to continue to chew its way up the sovereign food chain until it finally reaches the US bond market.
The fact that the dollar has consolidated for several weeks above the double top breakout is a strong sign that another powerful leg up is beginning.
Even more concerning for the bullish case is the fact that the next daily cycle should roll over into a much larger degree intermediate decline. That would almost certainly power another leg higher in the dollar and depending on how severe the stress has become in Europe we could see the October lows tested, and even broken if this is a new cyclical bear market.
The kind of selling pressure that is generated at daily cycle lows and especially during an intermediate degree decline effects every asset class to some extent. Gold will be no exception. This is why I have been warning people to wait for the daily cycle low to form in stocks before jumping heavily into precious metal positions.
Gold may or may not have put in a final D-Wave bottom last week. But there is a good chance that bottom is going to get tested in the next couple of weeks. And then of course we will have to contend with the selling pressure as stocks move down into their intermediate degree decline in February and March. That could conceivably drive gold back down below $1523, although I think any dip below that level will only be marginal and quickly recovered.
Right now patience is the name of the game until the stock market has formed a daily cycle low which is due sometime in the middle of January. Cash or a modest position in the dollar index is safest bet for the next couple of weeks.



Personally, I am not as good as you are. I struggle to time markets coz I'm also the worst trader in the world. On top of that, I am not very wealthy, as I barley pay my bills!
ReplyDeleteAnyone know where I can view the McClellan oscillator for gold? Cant find it in stockcharts.com or Netdania...
ReplyDeleteIn today's report, McClellan see the 10% trend line (currently $1618.14) as a KEY resistance for gold to break to be bullish in outlook. Alternatively, a break below the Price Oscillator unchanged line ($1587.70) will likely see a retest of at least $1540
I might add, McClellan has been spooky correct with this before
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ReplyDeleteDaniel,
ReplyDeleteUntil tonight I have never even used Webtrader. Ever.
I tried it for about 5min.
Stick to TWS and use the standalone download (so it is resident on your machine - one less point of failure if A) your browser breaks, B) the internet clogs up between you and IB, C)IB's download server ever has a problem)
TWS is necessary for speed, ease, and complexity. The web interface would be an emergency type thing (or if you really don't trade in a fast market) as I see it.
Use both. I'm pretty sure you go with TWS on your own decisionmaking.
Gary,
ReplyDeleteI am having difficulty re-entering the premium section of SMT. I have not had this problem before tonight.
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Despite many of you who probably suspected my statements were eternally one-sided I want to point out that GDX has now met one of my criteria for "mining stocks BEATING straight metal"!
ReplyDeletestockcharts[PUT.DOT.HERE.TO.FIX]com/h-sc/ui?s=GDX:CEF&p=W&b=3&g=0&id=p71233057988
Well...that statement isn't entirely accurate. Let me clarify.
GDX has now demonstrated it is no longer underperforming 'straight metal' (50/50 gold silver as I measure it using CEF).
It has NOT yet demonstrated OUTperformance by my measure, but it is close enough that that additional criteria might only take a few more weeks. (Remember I don't believe in anticipating it because anybody doing that since 2004 has been waiting a long time. So while it might be soon, I will let the market SHOW me to believe it.)
Sorry I'm not explicit on the actual criteria I'm using to make these calls. I promise it isn't a magic 8 ball and the criteria are reasonable (but nothing is perfect of course....and money can still be made by proper timing as gary shows.)
Anyway, just wanted to say it is looking better.
New certificate installed. Should be working now.
ReplyDeleteAnother way I could say my statements is that GDX vs gold/silver now look to be a wash from a performance basis. But I'm still sticking with straight gold (not so much silver) until there is clear outperformance.
ReplyDeleteThough performance may be equal I don't view risk as equal so I want more gain in exchange.
And I'm sticking with gold over silver for the same reason:
stockcharts[PUT.DOT.HERE.TO.FIX]com/h-sc/ui?s=$SILVER:$GOLD&p=W&b=3&g=0&id=p23233278086
There is yet no clear and sustained outperformance of silver over gold. Maybe it starts next week. Maybe it starts in 2013. Don't know. Don't care. Will let the market show me.
I take that back. It looks like we still have problems.
ReplyDeleteI'm using google chrome and have no problems at all
ReplyDeleteNow its' working.
ReplyDeleteGeorge Soros Interview about europe’s debt woes more serious than 2008 crisis.
ReplyDelete"Suprise to the upside" to quote Gary.
ReplyDeleteDanno
ReplyDeleteDays like this is why I never buy and hold ZSL. Day trades only.
It would be good to see some big SoS #'s this week.
ReplyDeleteLooks like were gonna break out of the bull flag we've been forming over the past few days in PM stocks.
ReplyDeleteJeff Clark of Growth Stockwire has an interesting piece out today on the silver bear being over also.
Way too early to determine that yet. And that was never a bull flag.
ReplyDeleteWait until stocks move down into the next daily cycle low. Usually the first move out of a coil lasts about 3-4 days before reversing. There is a very good chance we are going to put in the top of this intermediate cycle sometime in the next few days.
Gary,
ReplyDeleteHow was it not a bull flag? XAU/HUI was consolidating after a large move up, in a narrow range, with a downward bias. It looks like a classic continuation pattern? And if we break out this morning that's the last piece confirming it was a bull flag. What am I missing here?
A bull flag would have been a downwards corrective move after a sharp rally. The miners only rallied for 3 days. Hardly a sharp rally.
ReplyDeleteIt was just a consolidation before what will likely be a final move, the same as the stock market.
smartbullion,
ReplyDeleteYou can get the McClellan Oscillator with the free "thinkorswim paper money" program download. When you bring up a chart, it will be under "Studies" (top right side of the chart).
https://papermoney.thinkorswim.com/tos/displayPage.tos?webpage=paperMoney
The USD looks more like a bull flag forming than anything else.
ReplyDeleteVery coherent post basil. The blogospere is calling for the end of American and the world this year. With all the reasons they bring - it should have happened many times over by now.
ReplyDeleteTreasuries were supposed to collapse (instead they were the best performing asset class) and commodities should have exploded higher. Yet, another year goes by and we are all still here.
But this is the year......
You are wise to be cautiously optimistic this year. There are great new economic drivers in America that is driving down the cost of goods (think shale gas) and creating jobs in some of the most depressed areas in this country, for the first time in decades.
It will be a much more profitable venture long term to view the economy as reaching a low point with a long to view of improvement, rather than viewing it at the beginning of the precipice, and preparing to collapse.
"Jeff Clark of Growth Stockwire has an interesting piece out today on the silver bear being over also"
ReplyDeleteFunny how these stories are always written on gap up days...
Good support on the USDX at 81 (march), lets see how it holds going forward.
ReplyDeleteGary Its your forum so I'll leave it at that.
ReplyDeleteI will however point out that besides the permabulls, every analyst i follow is expecting atleast one more move down. Can anyone name a non-permabull that's bullish right now? It makes me wonder if we won't just head up until one by one all these writers turn back to being bullish. Won't take more than a few strong days before people start jumping ship.
No one is expecting a move up here and as Gary says, the surprises come to the upside in a bull market.
Gary said: "We haven't seen any true productivity increases since the tech bubble burst in 2000."
ReplyDeleteI would strongly encourage you to read about the baby boom in shale energy. It is creating massive supply of cheap gas, and those deposits are also very wet with the product that produces ethylene. Ethylene is the product that is in almost everything we buy. Massive cheap sources of that chemical is causing companies to open new manufacturing plants to be built here for the first time in half a century. Companies are choosing America for manufacturing now so as to get their hands on what will be a lower cost of production. Look at the new denim factory in Edinburg, TX. This is a Brazilian company! Aren't we supposed to be sending all of our manufacturing jobs to them instead?
This is happening all across the shale plays. And it is undercover still. There is a new American revolution coming to our shores, and it all has to do with lower gas and energy prices.
Good luck being constantly bearish into that.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/brazilian-manufacturer-opens-new-plant-in-texas-124281629.html
I LOVE inflation!
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ReplyDeleteSophia, how dare you :)
ReplyDelete@T&J
the price of labor in USA is extremely expensive compared to the emerging markets. Above all the unions and crap the price of assets is artificially high to support growth. There is no way this can change before the assets collapse. I know one interview with Jim Rogers some guy working in a London bank was convincing him UK will prosper on music industry, Rolls Roys and the Premier League...
Looks like EXK is taking Sprott's advice:
ReplyDelete"Due to the correction in metal prices in the 4th quarter 2011, Endeavour management elected to hold a significant portion of the Q4 silver and gold production in inventory rather than sell at the lower prices. Management plans to monitor the metal prices closely and sell some or all of the silver and gold in inventory at appropriately higher metal prices, or if the need arises for more cash."
Dan,
ReplyDeleteActually sentiment is pushing bullish extremes so the exact opposite is true. Almost everyone is expecting blue skies ahead.
T&J,
ReplyDeleteWe have to cure our energy problems before the next secular bull can begin. We also have to cleanse 40 years of debt. Neither one of those are true productivity. They are conditions that have to be met before true productivity can be sustained.
I know most academics would like to believe it's so, but you really can't cure a problem of too much debt and too much spending with more debt and more spending.
History is crystal clear on this one and its been tried many times in the past. Piling on more debt to mask the cancer creates a temporary sugar high that appears to have cured the disease. But ultimately it just means there's even more debt that has to be serviced. So the problem just gets bigger.
Just like real estate problems started in the weakest sector (subprime) and eventually worked its way all the way up the food chain, sovereign debt problems started in the weakest countries (Iceland, Ireland, Greece) and now is working its way up the food chain into much larger bond markets (Italy, Spain).
My best guess is at the next intermediate degree bottom due sometime in March or April we will see the cancer move up another level into possibly the French bond market. Ultimately it will chew its way all the way up the food chain until it infects the US and German debt markets.
Unfortunately in the real world it's not possible to create sustainable prosperity by printing money. It can create the temporary illusion of prosperity, think real estate bubble, but in the end the unintended consequences always come back to bite you in the ass.
PM bull % reading are super low...PMGDM is 13....one of lowest in years....
ReplyDeleteHow is it that tuned-in active traders can have polar opposite views on "sentiment"?
ReplyDeleteThis is a sincere question coming from a sentiment newbie so I'm sure there's a simple explanation.
Are you simply referencing different conflicting sources? Is there disagreement on what constitutes a sentiment indicator/barometer?
Feel,
ReplyDeleteIf you want to get true sentiment levels buy a subscription to sentimentrader.com.
Gary, thanks.
ReplyDeleteSo it's really that simple?
I will check into them today.
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ReplyDeleteSF,
ReplyDeleteI said that I went light on ZSL. Please don't think I was caught off guard by this rise. Give me a little more credit. Here again are charts I have posted several times.
$GOLD
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$GOLD&p=D&yr=1&mn=9&dy=0&id=p71062551266&a=241643000
$SPX
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SPX&p=D&yr=0&mn=11&dy=15&id=p64853535651&a=241443770
"We have to cure our energy problems before the next secular bull can begin"
ReplyDeleteIt is happening, right under our noses:
http://fuelfix.com/blog/2012/01/10/youngstown-opens-mills-again-as-states-jockey-for-fracking-jobs/
Danno
ReplyDeleteWhy not wait for the swing in gold before going short silver? Your already 9% in the hole.
SF,
ReplyDeleteWhy are you focusing on the fact that ZSL is down a little bit? Why not say something like, "Gee Danno, you were absolutely right about $SPX moving higher even though some people here treated you like you were an idiot for saying so."
ALEX,
ReplyDeletehow are you? Long time not seeing your post, hope all is Ok for you and your wife.
Still trading from my kitchen ( tonight, very nice T-Bone steak LOL!!) and the market has been quite kind with me recently thanks to all SMTs' advise.
Best wishes for 2012
Sophia
Danno
ReplyDeleteGee Danno, you were absolutely right about $SPX moving higher even though some people here treated you like you were an idiot for saying so.
SF,
ReplyDeleteFor real? If you are serious, thanks man. That was cool.
My feelings about ZSL? Betting against ZSL is like saying the dollar will see no further upside and gold will see no further downside. I sleep better at night knowing I've built a modest position in something like ZSL. Especially if I'm very long PMs, which I have been for weeks. I don't always keep a counter position (hedge). Just when I feel risk might be increasing. Then I may even dump my long positions.
Rounding Bottoms are rated 5 out of 23 (1 is best) so I'm trying not to ignore the potential RB in ZSL. And that jives with the idea that gold may still see sub 1500 numbers.
I'm just taking it one day at a time. This market is tricky. You have to re-examine your position almost daily.
Rounding Bottoms
http://thepatternsite.com/roundb.html
yes. danno was right about higher stock prices. carve it in stone!
ReplyDeletei, however, am still bearish as living hell on them here :)
Danno,
ReplyDeleteHow old are you? Does your mom know you spend this much time on the internet?
Sophia,
ReplyDeleteyea, I couldnt find any posts from Alex since NEw Year. Maybe he's on vacation.
Alex,
Long time no hear...hope all's well with you.
Wow Danno's posts never cease to amaze me. I just can't figure out if the person behind that screen is a kid, a troll or someone I should just feel sorry for.
ReplyDeleteDanno
ReplyDeleteBefore I will buy a >1x EFT I will always check the Premium/discount to NAV and avoid buying when there is a large premium. Remember those days when silver is down, AGQ is down and ZSL is down? That is because the price of ZSL is adjusting to the NAV after a big move. I have seen premiums as high as 10%.
UNG all time low..
ReplyDeleteThanks for checking NikeBoy2008.
ReplyDeleteSince late October when W2 gave us a scare, I like checking on regular bloggers as they are now part of my life and I care of all people around here who so nicely participate to the life of this blog.
Most probably Alex is enjoying a well earned vacation somewhere exotic with no high speed internet!!
BTW, I would not short anything yet... It seems to easy for the time being... Maybe take profits if you have some longs, but why short this market now?
ReplyDeleteif we get above $1643.7 does that mean the d-wave is over?
ReplyDelete$corn is still cheap..
ReplyDeleteSmartbullion, no. We need to bottom above 1525 :)
ReplyDeletethanks Ivan G. so we are waiting for this cycle to bottom then....
ReplyDeleteindeed. Dugh..what's with orange juice. It is up 15% today...:eek
ReplyDeletestill smoking "POT"
ReplyDelete>> UNG all time low..
ReplyDeleteIt will make another all time low, tease you with a rally, then another one. Rinse & repeat. Never touch that with a 100ft pole. It's a widow-maker.
Eamonn,
ReplyDeleteYes, gold has to hold above this low.
Gary isn't one of us. He's just visiting. Hard to account for unchanged though. Guess there are range statedgies.
ReplyDeleteEamonn,
ReplyDeleteEven if gold were to break above the 1644 high in a couple days its still early in this cycle, it could still be left translated and possibly drop to a new low. Although it may seem unlikely right now, lets see the pressure gold is under when the market pulls back. Gold continues to pull back when the market does.
Bloomberg put another chick on Market close. She's blond and dresses provocatively :) Not bad sign but I suspect the TV isdesperately trying to convince ppl to watch and pour into their head the bull market going up up...
ReplyDeleteArun --
ReplyDeleteWhy not to short UUP especially in view of the fact that decay is programmed into it?
Dan,
ReplyDeleteTalk to the hand.
We got some reasonably significant Selling on Strength #s in SPY today. I like seeing other ETFs like EEM on that list as well. This rally is probably going to run out of juice in the not-too-distant future.
ReplyDeleteHave you guys seen Margin Call? Best money about markets in a long time.
ReplyDeleteCheck out the scene where the tall blonde English guy who makes 2.5 million a year shrugs his shoulders (about market projections) and says to Kevin Spacey, "I don't know. What the heck do I know?"
Classic scene.
Funny, but at least it's honest. No one really has a clue.
ReplyDeleteOh, come on bulls, is that all you've got?
ReplyDeleteI couldn't even add to my shorts today as the gap-up had no follow through at all...
Never mind, there's tomorrow for another try. Lol.
(Don't get me wrong, after next week's OPEX pullback I do expect a counter-trend rally of some kind into March so I won't be messing with the 'bull-forces' as from February).
WW you in gold at moment, I'm still waiting for market dcl? Was going to add to DX but listening to Gary and holding.
ReplyDeleteSophia you sound like a truly nice person.
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ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure Doc, Gary, and Poly have all said that a higher high in a subsequent daily cycle confirms an intermediate degree bottom was put in. Things can get weird with D-wave declines but if we do print a higher high in gold in the next few days, all the odds are in favor of the D-wave being behind us. In that case, even if this cycle is left translated it almost certainly won't make a lower low.
ReplyDeleteWe haven't seen the kind of intense buying pressure behind gold over the last two weeks since the July intermediate bottom. I personally think the D-wave is done. A bit remiss about not buying in (was watching the stop run in real-time) but I'll be plenty happy to catch a daily cycle low here, so long as we get one.
VER, you might be in Docs camp, he is long PMs right now.
ReplyDeleteI said several weeks ago I expected gold to approach around 1645 before beginning its big final descent to upper 1300s or low-mid 1400s. It hit its upper channel line today at 1641.4, and I think that was enough. It should begin its descent very soon.
ReplyDeleteA higher high does not confirm a D-wave bottom. A higher daily cycle low would confirm that an intermediate , and hence D-wave, bottom has been achieved.
ReplyDeleteOf course we won't know that for about another 11-15 days yet. That's when the next DCl is due for gold.
ver: I personally think the D-wave is done.
ReplyDeletegideon: ...beginning its big final descent to upper 1300s or low-mid 1400s...
How many different subscriptions do I need to reconcile this???
LOL! These zany markets!
Riley,
ReplyDeleteNot in gold at the moment, gold hasn't even closed above the 200dma yet, and whether or not this DC will be left translated or not is to be seen. So im just sidelined right now on gold, waiting for the market to dip into a DCL so I can see what gold plans on doing.
Had a good run from the 300dma to the 200dma, in no rush to jump back in long.
ReplyDeleteMy mistake, I looked back at Gary's and Doc's comments from a couple weeks ago and neither of them made any reference to a higher high, other than to confirm the daily cycle low was put in (of course). But I do remember hearing it elsewhere, perhaps it was Poly (hey, I get three swings at bat don't I?).
ReplyDeleteIn any event, I agree it's simply wise to let the gold daily cycle play out before jumping in. But I'm not excited about trying to catch it. If the cycle rolls over soon, we're not going to have a good handle on whether a double bottom is put in or whether the cycle fails in a big way (market is never that nice to make this clear).
And regardless of how this daily cycle plays out we're talking a lot about an upcoming intermediate decline in stocks, which using the same rationale as now would suggest we have to play hot potato with PMs even through the next bounce until stocks put in an intermediate decline. At that point gold will be well into its intermediate cycle / A-wave. Yuck.
Notice how most of us are out of gold and watching?
ReplyDeleteTHAT is why the bottom was in 2 weeks ago and why it continues up strongly.
The market did what markets do...it trained us to step aside and watch at the exact wrong time. And our tendency after the multi-month grind is to still do the same thing. We continue to watch.
When people get antsy and feel like they are missing things and start to capitulate buy, then we will likely get a break.
Take it from me...I went through this patient 'waiting for a pullback' last year when I joined the board. It lasted a long time and everybody was telling me to just get in and get something.
I'm out (except for a core position) like most of the rest of us. That's why this is going up
:-)
Clearly I'm not SURE the low is in, but I have that feeling. (That link by Chris Puplava was another good indication.)
ReplyDeleteI'm waiting like the rest because it is reasonably prudent as opposed to chasing and because 'there is always another trade' or 'another entry' and because the bull has a long way to go.
Gary has a good feel for getting in close enough.
Heck, even WW is out and he's usually on this stuff like a rabbit.
ReplyDeleteMarkets are good like that.
PS: my post just now pointing out the size of the rally from the low and talking about it could, in and of itself, be a sign of a close top.
ReplyDeleteIt is getting to me also.
TZ
ReplyDeleteI'm in your camp. This is what I posted a week ago.
It seems like EVERYONE is waiting for gold to hit the $1400's. Not just this blog but many others (except doc). And you know what happens when everyone is waiting for the same thing. It never happens. I hope I'm wrong...
January 4, 2012 6:28 PM
You know exactly what we are waiting for. A right translated daily cycle that holds above the prior cycle.
ReplyDeleteWhat happened to HL? -23%.
ReplyDeleteNow you know why I never buy individual stocks.
ReplyDeleteHL cut its 2012 silver production output.
ReplyDeleteI can't believe my bad luck. uxg and hl were the only miners I held on to from last year.
ReplyDeleteSpain will sell as much as 5 billion euros of debt due in 2015 and 2016 tomorrow, while Italy will auction up to 12 billion euros of bills. I expect both of these auctions to go "surprisingly" well thanks to LTRO. (I could be really wrong!)
ReplyDeleteIf they do go well, this should be the catalyst for a big euro rally (1.35? 1.42?) and dollar decline.
Still long NUGT and may go on margin near the close. Just my two euros.
Farm girl,
ReplyDeleteI am keeping a long DAX with the same thoughts....
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ReplyDeleteJust another data point...... the energy revolution in America continues to happen right under our noses in shale:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-10/north-dakota-oil-production-jumps-42-as-shale-drilling-expands.html
Be careful out there 2012 bears
This has nothing to do with being a bear or a bull. It's all about cycle durations.
ReplyDelete"We have to cure our energy problems before the next secular bull can begin."
ReplyDeleteBad choice of words in that post then?
Tim and Jeanene,
ReplyDeleteYour son Danno should see a shrink. And so should you.
Farm Girl,
ReplyDeleteWhy didn't the French and German auctions go so well, then?
p2000x,
ReplyDeletebut they went well! Bid to cover 3.6!
Thanks James for that data filled and useful post.....
ReplyDeleteHuh? Germany sold 3.15 billion euros ($4 billion) worth of 5-year debt at 0.9%, the first time it ever sold for less than 1%. The bid-to-cover ratio was a healthy 2.8.
ReplyDeleteYesterday, Germany sold 6-month bills at a negative interest rate. They don't need LTRO to get all the buyers they want.
Market reactions and commentaries weren't that impressed last week, but then I'm not an expert analyst on bonds whatever, so I can definitely be wrong.
ReplyDeletep2000x,
ReplyDeleteto be fair with you, the US and UK press doesn't understand a bit of the European problem and is just re-vomiting to you what people in dealing rooms and politicians are saying...It is pretty useful for Obama, B. Bernanke and Cameron to spit as much as possible on Europeans to make look like all the issues that the American people and the British people are suffering from are ONLY coming from the "stupid and lazy" Europeans...It makes them look good...
But at the end of the day, it is the Fed that is printing right, left and centre and jeopardizing the future of the Us citizens - and they don't give a damn because the USD has a special status...Just wait a bit and when it will lose it, it is going to be recognition day....As Gary says, the future is going to be tough
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ReplyDelete"But at the end of the day, it is the Fed that is printing right, left and centre and jeopardizing the future of the Us citizens - and they don't give a damn because the USD has a special status...Just wait a bit and when it will lose it, it is going to be recognition day"
ReplyDeleteI've liked most of your posts until this point. China is actually blowing away the FED with their money creation, but nobody complains about that since it seems most traders LOVE China and despise the US, for whatever reason.
The US is also a LONG ways away from losing the reserve currency status. It is always presented like there is some committee that just decides one day that the US is no longer the reserve currency. In reality, the markets decide it.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/286247-debunking-myths-of-a-u-s-monetary-collapse
All right, Sophia, I hear you.
ReplyDeleteRespect your opinion, and didn't mean to disparage any of your comments.
I'm just not expecting anything 'special' of tomorrow's auctions, that's all.
As for me, I'm here to learn, and all comments and points of view are welcome.
Appreciate that you share your thoughts, thanks.
This blog and its zealots are blaming the Fed and the Fed only it seems for their carelessness, when in reality, the stats show the correlation to gold prices has more to do with China than to the US. Maybe that is why Gold has been struggling lately along with China?
ReplyDeletehttp://pragcap.com/do-gold-prices-correlate-with-u-s-inflation
But hey, who cares about facts?
T&J,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your comment...What is going to happen to the dollar in the coming years is starting now...This is not Bretton Wood where some comitte decided that the Dollar is no longer worth the status of reserve currency..This is the market participants, the compagny CEOs, the Govies slowly shifting their assets away from the dollar into Yuan, Peso, Reals and Euros...It is happening now, and will continue for a while
But, what do I know anyway...It is just my opinion from my kitchen counter...LOL :-)
ReplyDelete"What is going to happen to the dollar in the coming years is starting now"
ReplyDeleteThat is pure conjecture. The reserve currency "happens" not because countries decide that to be the case. Countries hold reserves of foreign countries based on business and trade with those countries. If the world does a ton more business with Canada than the US, you can expect the world to begin holding more and more Canadian Dollars, and by default, that currency will become the reserve currency of the world. If you want to do business with the US, you need a ton of US $ on reserve.
The reason for a weaker US dollar the past few years has much more to do with the fact that the rest of the world is raising their production, meaning that countries and businesses need more of those currencies in order to make trade. As the US dollar goes down in value, US companies become more competitive and trade begins to move back to the US. I have shown links to articles of companies bringing back factories and plants now to the US. Cheap shale gas energy sources is driving down the cost of production. This will be a long term trend due to shale gas. Yesterday I posted a link of a Brazilian Denim manufacturer building a plant in Texas for that exact reason. When in the past 20 years has that happened? It seems all the companies were leaving to the everging markets for cheaper manufacturing.
We are a VERY long way away from the US being even close to losing the reserve currency status. For that to happen, there will need to be a much bigger market for the world to sell into. Could be China in a few decades, but not something to lose sleep over this decade.
No one find it odd that commodities have been bucking the strong dollar pressures?
ReplyDeleteSeems like every few years we have this dollar crisis talk but every time we have any crisis, there's a stampede back into the dollar & US treasury.
ReplyDeleteYou are correct Eric - and that is because most people don't actually understand the monetary system in which we live. They view the US Government Balance sheet as if it were their own. If you took on a ton of debt, much more than you could afford to pay for, you would go bankrupt.
ReplyDeleteThe current US system is not like that of your household though. The Euro system though is, and that is why you are seeing them have problems that are similar to an over-indebted household. You won't see the same problems here in the US, in Japan, nor in the UK. Guaranteed.
http://pragcap.com/the-burden-we-leave-our-grandchildren
Adding 3rd and final 25% SPX short up here at 1290.
ReplyDelete1st 5% at the 1257 -200dma
2nd 10% at 1280 - upper Bollinger Band
WW,
ReplyDeleteAny stop for your spx shorts?
Felipe,
ReplyDelete1309 SPX.
t and j
ReplyDeletecan you tell us how the fed is currently easing or doing stealth qe without the market realizing it
Let me take back my comment.
ReplyDeleteIt should have read...
No one find it surprising that almost all assets are bucking the dollar strength.
Anyone use the Ninja Trader platform?
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ReplyDeleteMike -
ReplyDeleteA question like that reeks of a position that you somehow think QE is money printing......
which means you may not be getting the monetary system either:
http://pragcap.com/milton-friedman-misunderstood-quantitative-easing
http://pragcap.com/ben-bernanke-explains-fed-qe
VERY helpful articles that will catch you up on the truth of our system, which will in turn make you a better trader.
http://pragcap.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/qe2.png
This chart shows that rates went DOWN both times after the completion of QEI and QEII. If they were inflationary, rates would have skyrocketed, yet they didn't. Market participants figured it would be hyper-inflationary, but have been proven wrong.
As this next article states, misunderstanding the monetary system can be bad for your portfolio:
http://pragcap.com/misunderstanding-the-monetary-system-is-bad-for-your-portfolio
t and j
ReplyDeletenot saying qe is money printing. investors like rogers say that fed is in the market now. just asking if you can you tell us how that is happening without announcing qe3
Just think about this number for a minute: the Federal Government is borrowing at a rate of $200 billion per month right now. That's $278 million per hour in a 30 day calendar month. That is insanity. Based on that, the math from the original debt limit deal is tragically wrong and Obama and his happy Government spenders will run out of borrowing capacity by the end of June 2012. That's insane. California is a great microcosm and reflection of the fiscal insanity at the Federal level. Yesterday an hour and a half after the stock market closed, California announced that its current fiscal budget deficit is $2.5 billion wider than was forecast 6 months ago. I honestly don't know how California's Government stays open.
ReplyDeleteIf you don't think that the Government and the Fed are going to have to print a lot more money in order to feed the $278 million per hour borrowing - and to prop up the de facto insolvent banking system - you are crazy
From Dave in Denver
Rogers sounds like a conspiracy theorist. He and Faber are both doom and gloom guys, along with Schiff, who don't quite get why we haven't fallen apart yet. As all three tell us every time they get on the tube, "Just Wait! It will happen soon enough!!"
ReplyDeleteAnother year just went by..... I'm still waiting.
Schiff and Faber in Jan 2011: Worst time to buy bonds in history!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdd0ORv0wss
Jim Rogers Best Bets for 2011:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGlGz2IKnBM
In Summary:
Highest prices for commodities in 2011. (CRB ended lower)
Don't sell your sugar. (Sugar ended the year lower)
Hold on to your rice. (Rice ended lower)
Bill Gross - The Bond King - predicting there will be no buyers for Treasuries:
http://contraryinvesting.com/federal-reserve/bill-gross-end-of-qe2-is-americas-d-day/
Oops.
Not that these guys haven't made billions, but this shows that even the gurus are often wrong. And these gurus have been predicting for YEARS that the US will default.
Bull markets make people look like geniuses, even if the reason for their genius is misplaced. Unless they learn why a bull market is here, they will stay on the trend too long, and get spanked.
So back to your question. The Fed is in the market because their actions are creating people to do things based on what they THINK is going on. That creates a short term spurt, but the reality is that its not there. If people think that the feds are buying stocks etc and secretly propping up the markets, well.... I pay $5 per picture they take of black helicopters flying over their head.
Robert, or Dave in Denver:
ReplyDelete"the Federal Government is borrowing at a rate of $200 billion per month right now."
This statement is bottom line wrong. The US Government does not borrow money that they can create if needed.
I wrote an article some time ago explaining why this is not something you need to worry about. It was done in story format..... please take the time to read it:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/282117-debt-ceiling-debacle-strategy-do-nothing
Tim,
ReplyDeleteDo you think interest rates will rise this year or next year such as the 10 yr bond?
Tim is really Timmy Geithner from the ministry of propaganda. Keep sucking up those bonds at 0%!
ReplyDeleteAny way you slice it, less people are interested in buying bonds and that is how markets turn. I'm sure they will keep it afloat much longer than most people think possible, but the fact is the Fed is now it's own best customer, buying most of the empty promises sold by the Treasury. (via all the billions in loans at.25% to zombie banks). Nothing more than scratching each others' backs to buy time.
We're going down an econ lesson here that I didn't want to go down. Back to the original purpose that I am writing.....
ReplyDeleteAmerica is on the precipice of a new boom in economic activity, and it all has to do with the fact we are pulling MASSIVE amounts of energy out of previously unviable plays here in the states. Getting access to massively cheap energy and natgas will continue to cause companies to move production onshore. That will bring jobs and money and reverse the downward spiral America finds themselves in economically. Here are just a handful of new plants being built, bringing jobs, and money flow from around the world:
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/06/shell_planning_cracker_plant_f.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-21/dow-pursues-additional-feedstocks-from-the-eagle-ford-marcellus.html
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/brazilian-manufacturer-opens-new-plant-in-texas-124281629.html
http://marcelluscoalition.org/2011/12/what-they%E2%80%99re-saying-%E2%80%9Cshale-gas-development-is-a-game-changer-of-huge-proportions%E2%80%9D/
Bottom line - don't miss the revolution that is starting now due to massive new energy that will make input costs much cheaper for American business, all because you are caught up in worrying about government debt!
rrrright Shalom..... you have it figured out.
ReplyDeletedid you come up with all of that on your own?
I think you told me LAST year what a bad investment the long bond was going to be. Seems like it was a better investment than gold in 2011. Of course, THIS is the year.... right?
Tell me..... why have Japanese bonds stayed even LOWER than US, while their debt-to-GDP is over twice as much as the US?
Bonds have much further to run, unless of course, the US economy turns, which is good for everything else.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BOND VIGILANTES IN THE US!!
Tim,
ReplyDeleteWell?
james -
ReplyDeleteI have said now for over two years where I think rates are going. If you want to know long term my thoughts, read these articles I wrote. Note the dates they were written:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/220467-u-s-dollar-and-long-bonds-gotta-own-them
http://seekingalpha.com/article/296928-hyperinflation-where-is-thy-sting-case-for-the-long-bond
t and j
ReplyDeleteyou ever notice that your mmt guru - mr roche - doesn't have an independent thought of his own. all his articles are simply taking someone elses work, and either agreeing or disagreeing with it. there is a reason that he gives his work away for free. noone would pay for it. he is just an amateur economist and more specifically just a writer. i wouldn't just present his articles - which really aren't even his own thoughts - here as if it is fact.
all the answers are there for those that are willing to go find it for themselves. the financial media isn't smart enough to figure these things out themselves, and those that know aren't out talking or writing about it. they're trading it
i would humbly suggest having more of an open mind and consider the fact that you might not have all the answers. the only way we grow is by considering all possible viewpoints and then forming our own opinions
Actually Rogers, Faber, and Schiff do get it. It's the academics that don't understand.
ReplyDeleteEverything has and is playing out exactly as I have been predicting for years.
The academics claimed there was no housing bubble and that all the money printing Greenspan did to soften the recession in 2002 would have no unintended consequences.
I knew all along it was creating a housing bubble and that that bubble would pop leading to one of the worst recessions in history. I knew it was a pretty good bet that the governments would take those toxic assets and transfer them to the public balance sheet thus moving the cancer from the private financial sector to the sovereign debt markets.
I also knew it wouldn't cure the problem, it would only make it worse. Again this is playing out exactly as I predicted. We are already starting to see the weakest sovereign markets fall.
Just like real estate started in the subprime sector and worked its way up the food chain, the cancer has started in the weakest countries and is now working its way up the food chain and will eventually infect the US bond market.
Then we will have a choice whether or not to let it end there or we will continue to print money and the cancer will move from the sovereign debt markets into the currency markets.
The problem with academics like T&J is that they cannot see the unintended consequences of their actions. All they can see is the here and now and they assume this will continue.
These are the same people that couldn't see the housing bubble forming or the unintended consequences that would result.
Gold is also unfolding exactly as I said. Despite claims to the contrary I knew that a C-wave would eventually be followed by a D-Wave decline.
I also knew that the dollar would put in a three year cycle low sometime in 2011, which it did in May.
And just like I've been right about everything else, I'm also going to be right about the terrible unintended consequences that are going happen as a result of printing trillions of dollars to stop the financial market implosion in 2008.
Academics always assume that this time we are smarter, this time we have figured it out, this time will be different. Unfortunately history is crystal clear, it's never different this time.
mike -
ReplyDeleteHave you ever considered that I already know that he is not the founder of the thought?
I reference his articles because he is easier to read than the guys who did start MMT, Mosler, Wray, Fulwiler, etc.
I can reference their work, which is the same, but most won't take the time to read theirs as it is very academic.
So nice try with the false sense of humbleness.
Timmy G is right about one thing, the criminals can always change the rules when necessary, kind of like when they switched the asset and liability columns to keep banks afloat.
ReplyDeleteSee, everything fixed. :)
Sorry to bust your ego Gary - but the MMT academics have been getting it right much longer than you:
ReplyDeletehttp://pragcap.com/mmt-the-euro-the-greatest-prediction-of-the-last-20-years
Gary -
ReplyDeleteIf you have been right in everything, why is it that you owe me a burrito for betting that the bond bubble had popped last year and that the bull in treasuries was dead?
MMT is MUCH more than just academic everyone..... it is actionable:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.marketwatch.com/story/john-thomas-financial-successfully-incorporates-modern-monetary-theory-mmt-into-forecasts-2012-01-05
An Austrian - which Gary and others on this blog look like, admits MMT got it right:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.cnbc.com/id/45765009/Monetary_Theory_Crony_Capitalism_and_the_Tea_Party
So much for academics....
t and j
ReplyDeletei'm not talking about actual mmt theory. i'm talking about ALL his articles. please find me one where he has an independent thought and isn't just saying why someone else is wrong or right. find one where he is presenting a novel concept or idea and not rewriting somebody else's conclusion. in other words, one where he does some independent research and forms his own conclusion.
also, the humbleness was sincere. i don't profess to know everything and can certainly learn something from everyone on this board. i guess that's where you and i differ
oh yeah, please stop posting articles from pragcap and seeking alpha as proof of anything. one is a website of a guy giving away his thoughts for what they are worth - free - and the other is a site where anybody can post anything that they want. hardly two credible resources
ReplyDeleteCool, thank you Tim.
ReplyDelete"and the other is a site where anybody can post anything that they want. "
ReplyDeletethen why do you come to this forum?
the hypocrisy is palpable.....
Gotta love the guy that comes out with an "econ lesson" for everybody to digest, when he can't understand that more of anything (supply) makes it less valuable, bonds and dollars included.
ReplyDeleteAnd citing Japanese bonds doesn't bolster his case, either. Sure, rates have stayed low forever, but Japanese bonds haven't made owners any money for over a decade. How much lower can they go, that's the question. The only way bonds pay out substantially is with another systemic crises, which ain't good for anybody. If everything is so rosy and getting better all the time, with zero consequences for actions taken, why must we deflate before good times are here again?
Anyway, TimmyG can have the last dig. I was just checking end of day prices and don't find the conversation interesting in the least.
Good luck tomorrow, even to TimmyG. :)
"hardly two credible resources"
ReplyDeleteI'm dying to know..... what makes a resource credible or not?
Is it not the content that is there to be reviewed and debated... or is it just the domain location.
Cullen and my thoughts both are foundationally based on the writings and research of Wray, Mosler, Mitchell, Fulwiler, etc... all of which have been peer reviewed.
Are they too not credible sources?
Are credible sources only that which you agree with?
Shalom:
ReplyDelete"but Japanese bonds haven't made owners any money for over a decade"
Gotta love the forum clown who has a snakry comment for everything, but rarely brings anything substantive to the debate.
"but Japanese bonds haven't made owners any money for over a decade"
Relative to their CPI index, it has made them real money with little risk compared to their CPI for a decade. In relation to the 75% drop in their stocks, they have made (or saved) a TON.
Looking forward to your next snarky response.
like i said, because i can learn something for everyone. i come here occasionally because there are some good traders with methodologies different than my own - gary's and poly's cycle analyis, ww's use of moving averages, gann360's use of gann theory, alex's informative charts. i don't agree with everything, but i keep an open mind and hope that it enhances my own work
ReplyDeletelook, it wasn't my intention to get into a pissing contest with you. have a good night
Shalom,
ReplyDeleteAny thoughts on Hecla?
one thing i'll say re: T&J round XXIV or whatever is that just because something like the 30 year UST has gone "up" in the last year, doesn't mean it still isn't an extremely risky investment.
ReplyDeletein other words, you'll need a greater fool to sell it to.
otherwise if you're a grandmother trying to live off your retirement (ha) or social security (double ha) and you buy a 30 year at 4% last year and it falls to 3% this year, that's fabulous. but i sincerely doubt that the mean payout over that 30 years is going to be less than 4%.
and don't get me wrong, i'm mega bullish on bonds here but i know damn well there are going to be tons of people left holding the bag on these, BIG TIME. the USTs they're printing now very likely will be the first in decades that actually end up losing money vis-a-vis inflation, which of course in MMT land doesn't matter assuming of course that imports don't matter, resources are infinite, and your employer gives you a steady 2+% wage every year. which i guess happens when you're the chair of an econ dept but i'm pretty sure the guys emptying your trashcan aren't exactly maintaining their purchasing power.
whew! anyway still bearish as living hell here. on everything. /zn had a nice quiet strong breakout of its 3 week wedge. just need a catalyst to get the ball rolling.
IMHO the academics are not the problem. Politicians are the problem. They have crated the Euro zone, a totally unsustainable political project. Germany is exporting debt to the weaker members of the Euro zone. Those countries, the PIIGS, should not have joined the Euro zone. Now their debt will just keep on growing. So the first problem is the Germany which reduced their salaries and are trying to export as much as possible with the help of a weak currency called Euro. The problem is that Germany is exporting debt (capital) which will be destroyed in the PIIGS. German citizens are the one who will loose the most. It sounds like a paradox but politicians seem to like it that way. Perhaps Germany will get more political power trough that process but whole Europe will be left behind in the new world. The second problem is China which is not allowing its currency to naturally get stronger, they are printing and following the Dollar. One has to know that all of big economies (India, China, Brasil, Russia) are printing a lot. Everybody is just focusing on the FED printing. The USA debt is the least of all the problems. Some inflation (lets say 5 %) would solve the debt problem. The real problem is that lets say countries which are in top 10 meaning big economies such as USA, China, Germany etc cannot be exporters and have surplus trough a longer period of time. The example of a natural process of the currency getting stronger and the economy less competitive is Japan and its Yen. The same thing should have happened to China and Germany but they are artificially fighting the natural process. One trough printing and the other one trough the Euro. FED should print and give China as much Dollars as they need and the Euro zone will fall apart sooner or later. Everyone is focusing on the USA debt and there are two elephants in the room who everyone just keep ignoring. One is that there is no such thing as saving the Euro zone and the other is that China just can not avoid financial crisis if they continue to do what they are doing. Not only that they are stimulating industry (?!), keeping salaries low and printing a lot of money to keep Yuan low. They are planing a new credit expansion which when put together with the printing part is a path to a big financial crisis. One thing is to print in the US when private sectors are in the process of deminishing their debt and the other is printing in China plus creating a credit expansion at the same time. Let me just add that the academics knew that the Euro zone was doomed from the start. Euro and the Euro zone is the worlds key problem from the day it was created and markets are starting to realize it.
ReplyDeleteT & J, how is it that China is printing more Yuan when it is pegged to the US Dollar? BTW, have you 2 bought gold in size yet? I think I know the answer to that, and I will treat my long term portfolio the same way I have for the last 10 years:)
ReplyDeleteVeronica how do you think it is pegged if not by printing a lot of Yuan? Yuan should naturally rise plus FED is printing meaning China has to print even more. China is artificially trying to keep their export high, similar to Germany but with a different tool. Both countries are exploiting their citizens with such a policy.
ReplyDeleteTim,
ReplyDeleteIf you want anyone to take you seriously, you need to first cleanup your typos.
As I have mentioned earlier China is even planing credit expansion towards the economy with that money which will lead to a new financial crisis while there is an opposite process going on in the US private sector.
ReplyDeleteVeronica-
ReplyDelete"T & J, how is it that China is printing more Yuan when it is pegged to the US Dollar?"
Well - how do you explain facts:
http://pragcap.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/m2.png
James:
"If you want anyone to take you seriously, you need to first cleanup your typos."
Give me a break dude. That is the most overused attack in blogosphere. "He can't spell, therefore, he is stupid and should not be listened to."
Do I need to go and find the hundreds of typos on these blog threads from many you probably align with, including the leader of this board?
Use a little common sense. When typing a ton, and responding on an obscure forum, I don't have the time to go back and read each comment for typo's. If you are referring to some of the articles, yes there are some, but keep in mind those got past professional editor's that SA employs as well.
If I had the time, I am pretty confident I could go back through the history of these threads and find a typo here and there from you. Does that make your ideas worthless and not worth listening to?
Please.
If the Yuan is pegged to the USD, it seems logical we're both printing the same amount:)
ReplyDeleteTim says
ReplyDelete"My long term target unfortunately is 1% on the ten year and 2-2.5% on the 30 year. It will be a bumpy ride, but that's the target. Of course - if the details change, so might the target prices."
Only if the Fed is doing all of the buying...
james r:
ReplyDelete"Tim,
Do you think interest rates will rise this year or next year such as the 10 yr bond?"
Perfect example. This sentence structure is grammatically not correct. I get the point though, and didn't need to try to point that out as the basis for not taking you seriously.
But hey, no need to judge yourself by your own standards.
T&J, don't you find it astonishing that the world continues to honor the USD/Yuan peg at the same time as China prints so much more? Bloomberg must have some clout to get those incredibly accurate figures from China, of all places:)
ReplyDelete"Only if the Fed is doing all of the buying..."
ReplyDeleteIf you spend the time learning the true workings of the monetary system, you would understand this statement to be true, but also something not to worry about.
The bond market is just the mechanism in this country that is used to target rates. The Fed's set the rates, and the market reacts. It is the reason why the long bond will continue to make it's way more towards the overnight rate set by the Fed. In non-Sovereign currency issuing states (think Europe) the market sets the rates on bonds. That is why you will see bond vigilantes in Italy, and never in the US.
Guaranteed.
The bond vigilantes, because of the monetary structure in Europe, will force Europe to integrate their financial system even more (think United States of Europe) or it will force the break up of the EU, forcing all of those countries back to their original sovereign currency.
Guaranteed.
But Tim I am not writing a blog or trying to promote an idea..
ReplyDeleteThen I take it you must not take Gary seriously. I have seen many typos/bad grammatical statements from him.
ReplyDeleteWhy are you here then? He must not be taken seriously then either, correct?
You should be an editor if you care about that stuff so much, no?
Tim and Jeanene said:
ReplyDelete"...will force Europe to integrate their financial system even more (think United States of Europe) or it will force the break up of the EU, forcing all of those countries back to their original sovereign currency."
There is no way Germany will want to be in the same country with Greece though it would be a solution. Something like the USA. If some country would attack one state in the USA people from some other distant state would feel attacked as well. If for instance someone would attack Greece German people or Italians would not feel as if they were attacked. What I want to say is that there is no way United states of Europe can be created because rich countries do not want to help the weaker ones. So the only scenario is the collapse of the Euro zone.
james r:
ReplyDeleteIf the occasional typo, or misspelled word is the biggest objection you can come with in regards to the ideas presented forth today, I'll take that as a win.
Look past a typo, and debate whether the ideas being presented have merit or not.
You will embolden your case in the process.
Z1 -
ReplyDeleteI would agree with you at first. There is too much history of nationalism in a sovereign pride in Europe to think they will ever get along as one nation. Where did both World War's originate?
But - Germany has actually benefited greatly from the EURO structure thus far. They have much more to lose from a break up.
It's a tense and interesting quandary. If there is a break up, better sell everything, including gold, and hold cash and buy treasuries.
If there is unification, get ready for the next great bull market in everything.
My opinion.
Tim,
ReplyDeleteWhen unemployment reaches the Fed's target, the Feds will have stop buying the bonds long ago.
Unemployment is the reason the Fed is buying the bonds.
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ReplyDeleteI have always enjoyed Basils comments and also found them to be (the most) accurate!
ReplyDeleteTim and Jeanene, I live in Europe but I do not think it is about nationalism. There is nationalism everywhere, even in Scandinavia, not to mention the USA. The problem is that there is no way one could make German people live in the same country (meaning share their money) with the PIIGS. Germany profited from the Euro just on the first glance. The money they created got exported to the PIIGS, they exported the debt to the PIIGS. Their capital will get destroyed in the PIIGS, it is already being destroyed. Germany did not make their people rich buy exporting to the PIIGS. Not only that the PIIGS can not return the debt to Germany but the debt just keeps on rising. The collapse of the Euro zone is the only possible scenario. Perhaps they can alter the Euro zone somehow but it is all going to be very expensive and unsustainable in the long run.
ReplyDeleteto wit (and in reference to humility): "Do you really think you are going to teach me anything about investing or trading?"
ReplyDeleteLiquid/Basil,
ReplyDeleteGive it a rest.
Gary never heard you brag about anything other than kidding Beane. You state what you believe and back it up with performance. You trade real time, and post.
ReplyDeleteT+J give you credit for defending your posts hospitably, and with your interpretation of markets. I disagree with you but will always understand I could be wrong. Will continue to trade along with Gary and others in cycles as produces.
Gary do you have a finacial bio., always curious how people get to where they are? And how did you get started?
Know you are busy no big deal if not respond. THanks though.
02' - D-wave #1 dropped below the 78.6% fib level.
ReplyDelete03' - D-wave #2 dropped below the 78.6% fib level.
04' - D-wave #3 dropped below the 61.8% fib level.
05' - D-wave #4 dropped to the 78.6% fib level.
06' - D-wave #5 fell just short of the 61.8% fib level.
08' - D-wave #6 fell just short of the 78.6% fib level.
If the current D-wave were to drop to the 61.8% fib level, it sits at $1295.
Now you're talking WW. Could you imagine the bearish sentiment then. I could then place my order for tahiti retirement home. I need a lesson on TOS form you, I thought I was fairly proficient, left in the dust.
ReplyDeleteIn the 08' D-wave there were actually a couple of right translated DC's thrown in the mix.
ReplyDeleteIt's possible we see this DC be right translated with a shallow DCL, followed by an extreme left translated DC that takes gold to a new low.
ReplyDeleteLooking at the 08' D-wave and making some comparisons. Following the 4th DC into the correction (the first DC's of both D-waves include part of the top of the C-wave), the current DC (5th) would be right translated with a shallow DCL, followed by an extreme left translated 28 day DC that tops in 5 days. Which would mean that the next DC would have to be exited very quickly, in 08' the bulls were trapped in a new DC as gold plummeted to a new low 23 days later had they held thinking they were in a new DC that would continue higher after a slight pull back.
ReplyDeleteTricky to say the least huh Gary,
do you remember what you did in that DC that topped in 5 days on 7/15/08, were you trapped?
I was shorting drillers at the time.
ReplyDeleteGary do you remember when you actually got back in gold during or after the 08' D-wave?
ReplyDeleteI caught a chunk of the HUI rally out of the March 09 bottom to May top.
ReplyDeleteWW,
ReplyDeleteyou can go back to Gary's old blog to see his comments from 2007 to 2009.
http://garyscommonsense.blogspot.com
I haven't posted much before, but I'm a big fan of your trading. I'm a 39-yr old retiree (from the benfits of trading gold over the last 4 years) ... I will try to post my thoughts going forward.
Steve from Winnipeg
And who was barking at you for shorting at the time, Toby? :)
ReplyDeleteSteve,
ReplyDeleteWould really love to hear from you more often :)
Steve,
ReplyDeleteWould you be so kind as to drop me an email when you get a chance, doesn't have to be tonight :)
FromRips2Returns@aol.com
riley,
ReplyDeleteI wondered some of the same things myself. It's not Gary's financial bio, but thanks to Steve posting the link to Gary's old blog, I found the March 24, 2009 "Make a living or get rich!" post very helpful. I'm guessing Gary followed one of the three proven methods there.
Forgot the link:
ReplyDeletehttp://garyscommonsense.blogspot.com/2009/03/make-living-or-get-rich.html
Hope that helps!
At ease,
ReplyDeleteAre you still in the UK? Want to meet for coffee?
James: Nice find, thanks for sharing.
ReplyDeleteGary: As a benchmark for all the Old Turkey-hopefuls out there, what kind of return (5x, 10x, 20x?) would you expect if one were to successfully execute on your advice to "jump on the bull and ride until the secular trend finishes" given where PMs are today? I bet people underperform massively but never realize it because their account balance still goes up during the bull...
If gold goes to $5000 then one would have roughly a 200% return from current levels. $10000 would be about 400%.
ReplyDeleteGLD
ReplyDeleteGold Daily Cycle Chart ,Possible Big Pivot Last week of Jan 144 Fib Cycle Time Chart:
http://screencast.com/t/nXG9EFeF
Gann360
Are your au projections in a static $ or a hyperinflated $?
ReplyDeleteTIA
If hyperinflation were to occur there's no telling how high the price of gold would go in dollar terms.
ReplyDeleteSold back my long DAX after the Spanish Auction results...sweet 90 points profit...I am starting to like 2012... :-)
ReplyDeleteSophia,
ReplyDeleteYes, here until end of the month. :) Send me an email to my address on web link.
at ease,
ReplyDeleteCannot see it...PC not configured properly...
Please send and email at DudetteUK@gmail.com
Got it Sophia!
ReplyDeleteAt ease,
ReplyDeleteThanks, will check later this afternoon...need to get kids from school...
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ReplyDeleteLooks like nothing needs to be done today. I'll just keep everything and wait for the pullback Gary anticipates so I can get the rest of my paper money converted to miners.
ReplyDeleteThis rally out of the recent lows has been sharp enough that I won't have to entertain trimming in the next week+. The breakdown late last year had me thinking to clip some if the subsequent rally didn't have legs, but that's no longer a concern. Looks like dips will be bought.
I don't look too much into any one day's action, but it's worth taking note that miners can rip without the general market. Let's hope we get that pullback to buy! :)
Have a good day, fellas.