It's always so amusing watching mainstream business news wires in action. How quickly their tunes change in an attempt to "try to fit" the news around the markets actions, as if this news is really preceding the markets actions.
"Stocks lower on China rate hike fear" Because GDP ran higher than expected. LOL, last month that would have read. "Stocks higher on China GDP beat".
"Gold prices slammed on Brazil rate hike" ?? Really, LOL.
Pima: It can also be useful to watch each specific 1/2 hour's volume in the OEX options. Only as an adjunct, though. for example, if you are expecting a reversal to the upside and notice that they have suddenly bought 5-1 calls to puts in just the past 1/2 hour, it's the time to buy. They often catch reversals this way and it's real time data, which is an advantage. Just now they bought 1400 puts and only 450 calls from the 12:00 to 12:30 posting, so about 3-1. over 5-1 catches my attention for any given 1/2 hour. To be fair, they have been flipping around and wrong more than I have ever seen them on this run up, however.
Poly - excellent point about the media trying to fit the news to the market. This is what I meant a couple of weeks ago when I said that the market doesn't need to the dollar to move up first in order to correct - the market will CAUSE the dollar to move up simply by moving lower itself. Contra Gary, we don't really need a Korean or European event to trigger our correction - only the switch in market psychology. The news can sometimes be irrelevant, and the rest of the time it's simply an excuse for a sell-off.
There was a discussion a couple of weeks ago regarding margin rates. I don't remember who it was (Gary, Poly, DG, SB, ???) but the idea of contacting your broker and asking them lower your rates was proposed.
I did a bit of research and found that both Scottrade and ETrade both had lower rates than TDAmeritrade. I was overpaying by about 3/4%. I contacted TDAmeritrade with this info and they lowered my rates below those of their competitors. It'll save me a few bucks when Gary gives the all clear signal again.
I just want to give cred to Gary because of the focus and mental strength he showed in his last analysis..A lot of people here actually questioning him a lot..
A lot of times a lot of people didnt trust him..Thats good of course..You must ask about stuff you dont trust but i think some people went further than that..
Its not that easy to have a lot of people hanging on his shoulder..But he he didnt change his mind! Not even close!
This was just awsome! And yes Gary i did short the market..Both gold and the OMX in sweden..The OMX is down 4 % in 2 days..:-)
Yeah i know i shouldnt have done it..But I did anyway..:-)
From know i will follow you advide but the call you did this time was fenomenal!!
Take Care all!
Many of you guys learned me a lot not just Gary..Credit to you!
Yes, the balance in the account was more than the average as was my margin balance. But I was at similar numbers and getting a rate of 3.5% and then I called them and said I would move my account if they didn't lower it to 1.25% (which was the lowest rate I could find elsewhere). They also lowered my commissions to $2.99 per trade from $6.99 but the real savings was in the margin reduction.
I contacted my rep over there (they had me in a special group but I'm sure you could contact the regular group and ask for a manager) and told them the places that were offering 1.25%. It really wasn't much more complicated than that. Give them examples of places you can get the lower rate (do a Google search and you will find them...and Interactive Brokers as was mentioned here today was one of the examples).
If the Dow closes at a new high (+12.87 or more) I will get a sell signal. As I have stated, though, the sells are not ads good as the buys. I take virtually every buy, but the sells are merely another good data point for me.
My ES trade yesterday would have been a loser had I kept it. I didn't re-enter on reflection cause I was being to aggressive with the system I was using. I'll be buying for bounces...but lower.
In other stuff...
Large volume of contracts blown out on the gold and silver drops this morning. 20,000 gold contracts in 10 min alone.
We have a down wedge type formation on the gold chart (daily). The blowout volume was when we spiked below that bottom line. If we reverse back up above the top line, then the low might be in.
Yes, I have been one continually examining areas where the low 'might be here' and was also saying 'what if we don't drop'.
Those were all valid as a prudent trader. Please note to ALWAYS follow the MONEY when somebody talks cause it tells you where their true bet lies. Except for one failed trade on gold last week, I have continued to be out and watching despite those comments.
At one point soon enough one of those lows WILL be legit and by continually keeping alert to possibilities I hope to catch it.
"...Our last few publications have been reviewing our Momentum Peak Forecaster.
When speculation in any, or now, in all games becomes intense the Forecaster goes straight up and when it ends it provides the warning. It got to 1.28 and has stopped going up. Anything above 1.21 is in dangerous territory. Typically, the buying mania completes within one or two months. In so many words the frenzy continues until it exhausts.
The last such signal was 1.21 in May 2006 and the high in housing was recorded in that fateful June.
Recall I earlier said that it appeared gold would trade to approx 1330 tomorrow based on my read of GLD options. We are getting close and can see how that prediction works out tomorrow.
I put some more shorts out when we were up 20. I figured either I get the sell, or we fade and I don't get it. Either way...Still only at 25% of my account or so. Now I need a little room to before I add to positions (or a perfect looking set-up).
I;m not arguing with the prudence, but I mean we're only looking for that waterfall intermediate decline now. So late in the game, is it worth trying to time it? Especially when you don't play leveraged, you could easily place a stop at say 1,300-1,303 area on the S&P and be out a max of 1.5%, but in the game to catch every cent of a potentially massive drop.
Poly: Just not how I do it. A stop at 1305 is just begging to be triggered. Remember how Gary talks about how they go through an obvious level to get the stops hit, (like gold below 1300)? My rarely- being-in-the-hole-for-the-year style means I can take a good heavy shot when convinced the top is in. I am actually not trying to maximize returns, but instead prefer have stable gains year in and year out, and an occasional great year (I was up 30% two years in a row when the stock bull began in 2003 and 2004). There are lots of ways to do risk management and position sizing, IMO. Even more wrong ways, too, unfortunately. If we drop I'll be well ahead for the year even before gold bottoms. That'd be great because I'm going to buy a boatload of PM's and would appreciate the lack of pressure.
Poly: One other thought. You lose 1.5 % of your account getting stopped out at 1305, and then what? Try again? If you do this 3-5 times you have last a real piece. This is why Gary is against shorting. His picture is you try a bunch of times and are down 7% or so before you get it right. Then you don;t get the bottom exactly and wind up netting 3% or something. Not worth it. I am never down 5% during a year doing it my way, and that's my preference. I'll make plenty if/when we crack once I get some room (what Gary calls, "strong hands.")
Qualitystocks: Actually the investment surveys, Rydex exposure, options activity, etc. all show that people are expecting a continued bull run. Other than anecdotal stories and "I saw this blog" type of stuff, what statistical evidence is there that a particular investment group is calling for a decline? I'd love to know!
Quality, there are indeed many calls for a correction, but almost no one is calling for a longer-term top. I think the surprise here will not be the lack of a correction, but just how severe it turns out to be.
you mentioned earlier that you expect miners to drop at most another 10%. What is your reason for this given that the correction in the stock market has just started, and it's not even scary yet?
Market "looked" like it came back strong...but the Russell still got creamed and closed near the lows. The Transports were similar and so too were the tech's. All the leaders barely recovered in the afternoon.
Quality, there are indeed many calls for a correction, but almost no one is calling for a longer-term top. I think the surprise here will not be the lack of a correction, but just how severe it turns out to be.
From a technical analyst at one of the large banks.
SILVER
The surge higher in Silver from July last year (80%) looks way overdone and very stretched to the weekly moving averages.
2 weeks ago it posted a bearish weekly reversal at the highs, with momentum divergence and has now started to fall again.
We would not be surprised to see a sharp capitulation in this trade that could take us back to trendline and 55 week moving average support in the $20.75-$21.25 area.
If so we expect this move will be very quick-possibly a matter of weeks.
GOLD
Posted a bearish weekly reversal 2 weeks ago and still looks set to head lower.
Good support is met in the $1,235-$1,270 range and we would not be surprised to see a move towards that area.
In addition, a close this month below $1,385 would constitute a bearish engulfing month, further supporting the case for deeper loses in the weeks ahead.
No, it's a Citi analyst. And he is actually a gold bull. He thinks the top of the bull market will see gold at $6000 and thinks there is a chance of $2000 within the next year or so. This is just his short-term forecast and I'm not sure how much he differs on silver versus gold on the long-term picture.
Also, FWIW, he is pretty much issuing a warning on almost all markets near-term.
Here is the summary
Chart of the Week: A bit of a “shiver” in the Equity and Commoditymarkets
• Price action in a number of equity and commodity markets in recent sessions suggests some caution is warranted.
• The overall picture suggests that a quick, sharp and painful corrective phase may be around the corner.
• The charts below give a good snapshot of the concerning developments in these markets.
Commodities
• There are a number of commodities that are now looking quite shaky in the near term. While we remain medium term bullish in general we feel that a quick and sharp pullback could be seen across the board.
Foreign Exchange
• The correction up in EURUSD is approaching an end and we expect a turn back down over the weeks ahead
• The setup on GBPUSD also argues for a move lower at least towards the 1.5350 area. The bearish monthly reversal from November is still valid.
Fixed Income
• Few developments this week. We still expect lower yields in the short term (days / weeks) before the more dominant trend of higher yields takes over again later.
Emerging markets
• USDINR is testing the double bottom neckline and is still likely to rally over the weeks ahead.
• Equity Indices in India, Mexico, Brazil and Turkey look to move lower.
Since we are on day 23 of the gold cycle and the duration is about 20-30 days, then should we not expect the bottom of our intermediate decline sometime in the next two weeks instead of the next three weeks?
(Are you thinking we will have a stretched gold cycle?)
Since the stock market should have at least three weeks before it bottoms the odds are probably high that gold still has another daily cycle down after this one before a final bottom.
I do expect the bounce out of the coming cycle low to be very convincing though. Probably enough to sucker quite a few gold bugs back into the sector prematurely.
The key will be the pattern of lower lows and lower highs. If the bounce isn't strong enough to break that pattern in gold AND the miners then its a fake out.
And if gold doesn't at least dip below $1315 then it isn't a final bottom.
Your former traders know that you are scouring the whole world for physical silver. Last week, SLV lost over 6 million ounces of silver and today it is reported that SLV lost another 4.45 million ounces of silver more. We also suspect that you are raiding the US Mint as well as other silver ETF based in Switzerland.
There is only one explanation. Blythe must have heard that your former traders have secured the necessary financing to stand for delivery come March 1. Unlike December, they are ready to stand for massive amount of contracts for delivery.
But since Blythe is so desperate and raiding physical SLV from the ETF, do you know what your former traders are doing?
Yup, they are re-doubling their efforts to get even more hedge funds and big investors to help them stand for delivery March 1.
You see, Blythe has convinced the CFTC to impose position limits on the longs but not on themselves which means that the next delivery month of May might not be available to be raided.
But rest assured Blythe, we are coming after you in March. And we are confident that we can raise money a lot faster than you can find physical silver.
How high will you push the price of silver in February? Anthing under $40 and we might be able to bust Comex ourselves.
Pima: I am about 25% short. I will not add on strength. A big test is coming up. We got quite oversold and have always snapped back hard from that condition since the summer lows. If we cannot do so now, that would show a change in character so best to wait and see how weak or strong this bounce is before adding. I will add on a rally failure. Not sure where my stop is yet, but I am not too heavy.
Looks to me like the move up in stocks is something that would be normal and as of right now does not invalidate the idea that the recent high was a top of some kind.
So far spx has retraced between 62 and 78 percent of the move down.
If it goes above 78 percent, odds are it will make a new high.
The miners have been discounting the impending correction. Once gold starts to near the bottom I expect the miners to resist the downside even if the metals themselves continue down.
Well unless we see a massive selling climax in the stock market.
Of course that would just give us an even better buying opportunity...for those that can still pull the trigger.
Pima: I tend to cover bits at a time on the way up if I feel I am too heavy. Nothing done yet, but I will cover some if we make a new daily high after 7:30. New highs after the first hour greatly reduce the chance of a reversal later in the day.
Some miners hit levels yesterday and today that I wouldn't mind buying, although I expect some muddle through before they head higher. I much prefer to get the direction higher again before loading up.
SVM was a special case that I was looking to buy in the low $10's so added yesterday, but still looking to triple the size of my current position. I hope miners close down or flat today, booking another weak close for the week.
The cat is already out of the bag, never understood why people want to over complicate it. We're tagging the 50dma no matter what here and that along is a great trade.
Avann: It's hard to explain how I trade. I am not an all-or-nothing trader. I short when it seems right and cover on the way up, re-shorting when it seems right again. I don't know what it would take for me to abandon the idea given the sentiment readings. I guess i'd have to believe that the Fed has totally changed the game somehow (Hyper inflation causing stocks to rise forever?). I can;t remember ever having been wrong about something like this though. We will go down, so it's a question of risk management and tap-dancing, making sure the damage is small and then adding back at the right time to catch the bulk of the move. i have lost in these situations when the gains that eventually come are smaller than the small losses that have piled up. Even that is rare if you are careful and not stubborn. (This also is an answer to Poly's question yesterday about "Why not just short a bunch now with a stop at 1300?) I am light and will stay so until we get better price confirmation. if we are going to drop 10% i am fine missing a piece of it so long as i am heavy for the heart of it.
thanks for the link to Peak Theories. Just took a quick look at gold and the "twin peaks" page. She has a long term forecast for the SPX to hit the 400's within the next 3 years! Yikes!
Title of a documentary film coming to Sundance film festival this year. Below is a description of the interview with the film maker that aired last night on local public radio.
Thursday, we're talking about the roots of the financial crisis and why it is that the world's greatest economy is so slow to recover. Doug sits down with returning Sundance filmmaker David Sington. Sington's documentary The Flaw sets out to find answers to the economic questions that are still plaguing America and to ask what should be done if there's a "next time."
Here is a link to listen to the interview, about an hour and quite interesting. If the link doesn't work just search on "KUER radio west" and look for the flaw.
David K: Part of my reasoning (clearly wrong today!) is that to have a stiff correction in the SPX we'd need the dollar to rally, and thus the euro to fall. Do you agree with this, or are you expecting the correlation to cease (or stocks to just not go down)?
the price action of the stock market is amazingly weak today...I left for one hour and all were rallying, come back to see it much lower! any news? exhaustion ??
JC, the dollar lost a fairly important pivot at DX 79 earlier this week. I seriously doubt that level will be regained during this intermediate cycle, especially with a failed daily cycle now in hand.
Perhaps DX 79 gets back-tested after the current daily cycle finds a low, but I wouldn't count on that, either. I think we're at the stage where the dollar crisis accelerates and drags stocks down with it in crisis. Likewise, I believe gold and silver will find a low sooner than most people expect. We just need one more good panic, probably below the $1325 pivot on gold to blow out stops.
No love-fest, just like how it trades and have made lots with SVM in the past. Maybe it's because I have a very low average cost so feel comfortable getting aggressive again should it dip further.
My current position has a $2.20 stop from right here. Like you, I'm hoping it gets hit hard again but I only give that 50/50 odds. I'll be happy even if it even just gets below $10 again, as long as miners get through with this intermediate correction first.
I have several others I like as well, so it's not the only game in town even if it should be on everybody's list.
I don't have much opinion on the USD for a trade. Oversold short term, but long term going lower, so I'll leave it alone. And as it relates to metals/miners, it doesn't seem to offer an edge, simply because the typical inverse relationship has not been reliable. I'm not trading the dollar, and will judge the metals/miners on their own.
Using Feb Gold futures, Kevin Depew on minyanville.com Buzz and Banter showed a qualified break of a DAILY DeMark level at 1350. This means a full 13 countdown to a Buy point should occur. Currently, on bar 5 of 13, so at least 8 more trading days before the Buy Signal records (bars do not have to be continuous). A .382 retracement down level shows 1292, but Depew thinks it could go lower. That 1350 level should now be resistance. SP futures now have active DAILY TD Sequential and TD Combo sells confirmed by a bearish price flip. Short-term 1270.40 is a resistance level - any trades below this level can be bought. If the 1270.40 level is qualified (Up Close, followed by Down Close below that level, followed by Down Open - DeMark qualification rules, crazy I know), then prepare for trend change downside in SP.
coolkevs: Have you tracked this guy Depew and Demark analysis for a long time? Has anyone else here done so? Is it/he any good? There are millions of opinions out there and I like to know who has a good track record.
DG, It seems this Depew fellow is trying to do technicals in Tom DeMark fashion. Tom is rather famous for advising hedge fund powerhouses on technicals and he has a large list. http://www.marketstudies.com/about/about-tom-demark
I also agree that gold will bottom out at higher prices than most believe, primarily because real assets should experience a flight to quality at some point.
The only potential flaw in this stance that I can see, is that seasonality will not be in our favor much longer.
"SP futures now have active DAILY TD Sequential and TD Combo sells confirmed by a bearish price flip. Short-term 1270.40 is a resistance level - any trades below this level can be bought. If the 1270.40 level is qualified (Up Close, followed by Down Close below that level, followed by Down Open - DeMark qualification rules, crazy I know), then prepare for trend change downside in SP."
Do you mean 1270.40 is support?
And if SPX trades below that level, SPX is a buy?? or a sell?
DG ... thanks for the response and the update. The reason I asked when I did was because I was heading out for the day ... just got back now ... and I was debating on whether to put a partial stop in before I left. I put in a stop for 50% at 1300 but obviously it never even got close.
David K: Sold 1/2 my EUO. Looks like dollar is breaking down and has decoupled from the other asset classes. I don;t see how the euro can rally given the scene in Europe, but no point arguing with the markets, which, as the man said, "can stay irrational longer than you can remain solvent."
Avann, As long as your position size is reasonable you could put a stop at roughly 1320 and let thetrade ride figuring if 1320 is hti then Ben is probably going to accomplish the impossible.
Interesting...Was looking at the last yearly cycle on gold/HUI from the Nov lows in 2008 to the highs the next Dec. The HUI retraced 38.2% of the move and found it's bottom there last Feb.
Starting from last Feb's low to Dec..We are sitting right at the same level of support.
Probably better if you put your fib's on individaul intermediate cycles. This one began in July.
I would be leary about buying before the stock market bottoms. Intermediate cycle lows almost always are severe enought for selling pressure to leak into all sectors.
Thanks Gary ... yes, position is only 10% ... I'll reduce half at 1300, the rest at 1320, give Ben the finger if that happens and hopefully recover it in PM's. I rarely short ... but I can afford to play a little with the profits from last year and I'm bored so this gives me something to entertain myself with.
I would give your first level room to at least 1305. I was expecting a tag of 1300 anyway. If you stop out at 1300 you run the risk of covering right at the top.
Poly: The NDX has a remarkable track record at getting trashed in January. Lots of regular occurrences are not happening, but I'd focus on the Q's for shorting.
I´m definitely expecting stocks to go down in the next week or so. Common sense says therefore dollar sould go up. But I feel very strong towards the buy set up that we have on the EURUSD. So I expect stocks and dollar to go down together. At some point the negative correlation between dollar and stocks sould break.
By the way, I agree that on the long, long term there are severe problems with the Euro.
I'm short 12 percent via SH. Not feeling the need for a stop. With the overwhelming odds that a yearly low will eventually occur, and agreeing that further fed intervention will cause a steeper drop, i figure the odds are overwhelmingly on the side of patience for winning trade...and if the market goes up 20 percent from here, I would be down 2.4 percent. Not much risk. Like Gaery said, it just adds a level of interest in the game. I will ptramid into a larger position as clarification of a correction ensues.
SH is not leveraged, it's just the inverse of the SPY. SDS is double inverse. I like SDS (have a small position as we speak). Even though it's leveraged, I haven't noticed severe decay problems like you see with the triples.
Another thing you could do is buy deep in the money SPY or QQQQ or IWM puts. March or April expiration. Check out prices first, but usually deep in the money options have very little time value, so the option moves almost one for one with the underlying.
Or just short SPY, QQQQ, or IWM... lots of possibilities
Lastly, in 2008, did you successfully exit the C-wave in the March area, and then what did you do for getting back in for the A-wave? Did you get in near May or did you miraculously wait until around October? Did the Blees ratings help you successfully enter there if you were able to?
The dollar is breaking down from the megaphone pattern just as my prognisis said it would. No sign of a start of any rally here. Likewise my prognosis from beginning of December that the target for the SP500 breakout from the cup and handle formed since April is ~1430 will be probably realized.
Not the least because the pre-election years springs are traditionally strong, as seen on this chart, the so called 'Election Cycle': http://www.chartoftheday.com/20101231.htm?T
I wasnt going to share this chart here...(except maybe with Jayhawks :)... but your post caused me to reconsider-since I have been trading Equities through Dec and Jan with this charts 'POSSIBILITY" in the back of my mind).
A correction retesting the breakout at the handle is not out of the question(1231 area) and fits an equity pullback that Gary calls for now, just not Armageddon yet...
Dollar does look due to bounce (uup to gap at 23 which is also 50dma)
I drew it in Dec,but as volume dried up on Holiday weeks, I felt it was weakening... but updated it in Jan when upward volume returned.
I'm up late reading that book Alex (Trade Like An O'Neil Disciple)
The guys are going through their biggest mistakes...Chris talks about the Solars setting up perfectly in 07. He was positioned perfectly and told himself to hang tight even if the market corrected. However, the bearish talk from other traders, the warnings, the claims of the market being similar to 87 messed with his mind. He ended up dumping his huge position in FSLR after it broke out of a C&H when the market weakened one day in Oct. FLSR reversed that day and proceeded to rocket higher while the NAS sold off that fall. So his point is to "Watch your STOCKS not the indexes!"
We could easily see the miners diverge from the overall market--they did so in the early 2000's
Also, these guys are big on picking the big, leading stocks. Makes me want to rethink my strategy and weigh stocks like SLW much higher.
Fun times...it's good to read these experienced traders mistakes and realize I'm not alone. Last year I feel like I blew it to some degree, but I'm over it and really focused on 2011.
'We could easily see the miners diverge from the overall market--they did so in the early 2000's '
I am feeling the same thing...I have seen the gdx and HUI pulling back to that support and sma 242 the feb low and July low bottomed on..
http://www.screencast.com/t/1aHxUCS8
As I just posted...in the crash of 2008 , the gdx and hui doubled from OCT to March by the time spx bottomed in march.
Will they be crying on cnbc..."flight to safety has resumed-buy Gold' as SPX goes down??
so as you said Jayhawks...I am watching my stocks and even that sector gdx/hui...(not listening to too much else until the chart tells me what IT is going to do)...pass or fail. The former resistance level,which is now support...will 'pass' or 'fail' -----Time will tell.
Next Wednesday as I understand is expiration option on gold and silver. How will this play a role in pricing of the metals? Could we see a further dip in the metals first part of the week? Then after the bounce start?
"Any future losses the Fed may incur will now show up as a negative liability as opposed to a reduction in Fed capital, thereby making a negative capital situation technically impossible," said Brian Smedley, a rates strategist at Bank of America-Merrill Lynch and a former New York Fed staffer.
I was wondering the same , BUT...DJIA and SPX and NASDAQ have been running up above their 10 and 20sma. Nasdaq broke down and closed below BOTH this week. That is risky...I.M.H.O.
Rod
I pay close attention to SMART money. The C.O.T. Shows SMART money closing short positions drastically on this pullback. All time lows for this year... less than July Low and Feb low
http://snalaska.net/cot/current/charts/GC.png
Not a precise timing tool, BUT very meaningful. THIS is only with regards to the METAL prices though, not mining stocks- which may get dragged down with the markets.
Did some math on the intermediate cycle-assuming a 200K portfolio. I wanted to see performance of a GDXJ/SIL blend vs. hand picked top silver miners & gold juniors. For my preference, I went with 75/25 silver miners to gold miners ratio. (or 150K of SIL, 50K of GDXJ)
For the hand picked portfolio-(dollar amts)
60K of SLW 20K of HL 20K of SVM 20K of NG 10K of NAK 10K of UXG 20K of SSRI 20K of PAAS 10K of RBY 10K of AXU (by far the best performer)
The SIL/GDJX returned 193K
The hand picked on returned 231K
A portfolio of just SLW returned 266K
If you just went with AGQ-350K return.
Of course, may of these individual miners can lag the next leg up and other may lead...But I'm trying to get a read on the clear leaders coming out of the summer.
Looks like SLW, SVM, HL, AXU...SSRI did pretty well too.
Nice job (and as you said, thats just considering that they all run the same % next time. You forgot AG..one of my top performers, and recently more scary on the pullback).
The thought has crossed my mind. I may actually put my entire IRA into AGQ on this cycle bottom. (This is not a large amt)
I'd hate to be long AGQ 100% and have the trade go against me. I'd have a hard time sleeping.
FYI-the one year performance of just being in silver (SLV, SIVR) has a better track record than GDXJ (60 vs 40%). So being in a vehicle that is 2x the POS makes good sense.
I know Doc and other just trade the futures. I'd love to know what a 200K portfolio invested in only silver futures would have done from July to Dec.
C79.Guys, there is a thing called risk adjusted return. If simply buying the most volatile thing in the world was the way to get rich, everybody would be doing it and everybody would be rich
Yes, I realize that. Just thinking out loud on a strategy for the intermediate cycle low. I'm more likely to go with the leaders on the silver mining side...The bigger, more liquid plays with out a lot of resistance overhead.
DJIA and DJT look like they are headed for a Dow Theory Sell Signal. Dow continuing up while the leader, the DJT has broken an upward trend line to the down side. Anyone?
Gary is a baller. A report dispatched on his weekend off.
I for one am not one of these people who will be too frazzled to pull the trigger if gold dips below $1300. I'm just getting friggin' impatient for the plunge to happen. If by some miracle it gets down to $1260 I'm hitting up a pawn shop so I have more FRNs to convert to silver. : )
Since no one else has mentioned Turd Ferguson around here, he calls for gold to bottom at $1320-25 probably NEXT WEEK and for $26.50-75 in silver to be the bottom there.
Turd is more excitable and emotional than Gary but his blog is a good read, I find:
Hey Gary, just out of curiosity, why would the transports need to break the July lows, and not say, the Feb lows? What makes July significant? Is it because that correlates with the DJIA most recent significant low?
if both indices need to break the July low to the downside to generate a Dow theory sell signal, what good is that sell signal? By that time one will have already lost an arm and a leg. Also, I thought there are various steps towards such a final Dow theory sell signal with the first step being a divergence between the two indices, which is what we seem to have here?
You had an amazing 2010 but you were early in Feb. What gives you the confidence that you are not early again this year? Is it something in the cycle analysis, ABCD analysis, bigger picture, three year cycle low of the dollar, etc.?
Robert, I remember the D wave bottom in '08 as that was the first time I had heard of Gary. Tim Knight posted on SoH that one of his most respected traders, and friend Gary Savage was pounding his fist to buy gold. Gold was at 700 at the time.
I remember taking the trade and watching as Gold instantly went up 70 bucks the next day if my memory serves. Of course, I asked myself, Who is this Gary Savage guy, and was that just luck? Within a few months I was a subscriber. Anyway, Gary nailed the D Wave bottom. Pretty impressive!
Will I miss the bottom by waiting for an intermediate low only to see Gold turn higher and leave these prices behind forever? Should I just begin buying incrementally from here to the bottom rather than wait?
I haven't acted based on this fear, but it keeps ringing in my ears. It would be lovely to hit the bottom within a few days or percent, but the thought of Gold turning higher and never looking back has me itching to pull the trigger. Countering that, the thought of watching mounting losses would create stress. With my current 28% position size I haven't cared about losses. With 50% I would.
Steven, If you get a subscription you will see that I haven't called a bottom yet. I don't think this is over for gold yet and it's only beginning for the stock market.
Fusby, It would seem to me we need to see some sort of capitulation move before a bottom, hence Gary's talk important levels. After scanning through my charts, I see capitulation in a few stocks. ANV being the most notable, and could be setting up a cup base, but it needs more time to be sure. Most of the small caps I track are still in free fall mode.
I have not subscribed to Zeal--I did read one of their junior miners reports and thought it was decent. I've just read his free reports from time to time and think he has some good stuff. I've only subscribed to Gary, Doc and the Aden sisters.
I think the average joe who is long PM stocks is just about at that point. I've got 2 buddies who are long SIL, one just getting in early in Jan. Needless to say, the guy is pretty down these days.
The SMT subs are sitting nicely in cash waiting for our buy point, so we are a bit antsy here watching the dollar fall apart. However, no need to panic guys & gals. We may not catch the bottom, but we will be in the miners with plenty of time.
I am thinking of buying physical gold, can somebody give me some idea for best website. first name that comes to my mind is kitco.com
i am a long time reader of this blog, i am still short the equities. I dont see any good reason for this sell off to last longer then few days or week. Untill Ben stops giving this support market wont falter. there is no compelling reason for it to happen.
Gary,
you keep saying munis/bonds will fail but what happens if Fed is giving support to them. One possible outcome is after june there would be lot of pressure to stop the QE's and then market falters.
Way to go Gary! I see the dedication, determination, and hours spent learning how to trade asset classes has paid off in weightlifting as well. Very impressive to become highly skilled in two unrelated areas.
That would be the difference. I show the July bottom at 23.29, and a top at 41.63 for GDXJ. It was a little tricky on the fibs since they both were making higher lows since February, but the general market did not. One of us is getting bad data on GDXJ. SIL data is closer.
It's always so amusing watching mainstream business news wires in action. How quickly their tunes change in an attempt to "try to fit" the news around the markets actions, as if this news is really preceding the markets actions.
ReplyDelete"Stocks lower on China rate hike fear" Because GDP ran higher than expected. LOL, last month that would have read. "Stocks higher on China GDP beat".
"Gold prices slammed on Brazil rate hike" ?? Really, LOL.
FIRST!!!!
ReplyDeletehahaha suckers
BoW on SPY today so far: 110 with 70 in block trades.
ReplyDeleteOEX options traders buying more puts than calls, 12000 to 9400.
OK, Sucker!
ReplyDeletePima: It can also be useful to watch each specific 1/2 hour's volume in the OEX options. Only as an adjunct, though. for example, if you are expecting a reversal to the upside and notice that they have suddenly bought 5-1 calls to puts in just the past 1/2 hour, it's the time to buy. They often catch reversals this way and it's real time data, which is an advantage. Just now they bought 1400 puts and only 450 calls from the 12:00 to 12:30 posting, so about 3-1. over 5-1 catches my attention for any given 1/2 hour. To be fair, they have been flipping around and wrong more than I have ever seen them on this run up, however.
ReplyDeletePoly - excellent point about the media trying to fit the news to the market. This is what I meant a couple of weeks ago when I said that the market doesn't need to the dollar to move up first in order to correct - the market will CAUSE the dollar to move up simply by moving lower itself. Contra Gary, we don't really need a Korean or European event to trigger our correction - only the switch in market psychology. The news can sometimes be irrelevant, and the rest of the time it's simply an excuse for a sell-off.
ReplyDeleteThere was a discussion a couple of weeks ago regarding margin rates. I don't remember who it was (Gary, Poly, DG, SB, ???) but the idea of contacting your broker and asking them lower your rates was proposed.
ReplyDeleteI did a bit of research and found that both Scottrade and ETrade both had lower rates than TDAmeritrade. I was overpaying by about 3/4%. I contacted TDAmeritrade with this info and they lowered my rates below those of their competitors. It'll save me a few bucks when Gary gives the all clear signal again.
Give it a try!
FWIW, I have 1.25% margin rates at eTrade.
ReplyDeletethanks, DG!
ReplyDeleteSteven,
ReplyDeleteI assume that's because you have a massive account size / margin balance. That's a far lower rate than I get...
Hi all!
ReplyDeleteI just want to give cred to Gary because of the focus and mental strength he showed in his last analysis..A lot of people here actually questioning him a lot..
A lot of times a lot of people didnt trust him..Thats good of course..You must ask about stuff you dont trust but i think some people went further than that..
Its not that easy to have a lot of people hanging on his shoulder..But he he didnt change his mind! Not even close!
This was just awsome! And yes Gary i did short the market..Both gold and the OMX in sweden..The OMX is down 4 % in 2 days..:-)
Yeah i know i shouldnt have done it..But I did anyway..:-)
From know i will follow you advide but the call you did this time was fenomenal!!
Take Care all!
Many of you guys learned me a lot not just Gary..Credit to you!
Take Care!
Margin rates? I pay 1.17% from Interactive Brokers - I love them. I pay a flat rate of .5 cents per share commissions ($1.00 minimum)
ReplyDeleteLowTax,
ReplyDeleteYes, the balance in the account was more than the average as was my margin balance. But I was at similar numbers and getting a rate of 3.5% and then I called them and said I would move my account if they didn't lower it to 1.25% (which was the lowest rate I could find elsewhere). They also lowered my commissions to $2.99 per trade from $6.99 but the real savings was in the margin reduction.
Steven, looking at eTrade's margin pricing page, the lowest rate they offer is 3.89% for balances of $1,000,000 or more:
ReplyDeletehttps://us.etrade.com/e/t/prospectestation/pricing?id=1206010000#MR
How do you get 1.25%?
LowTax,
ReplyDeleteI contacted my rep over there (they had me in a special group but I'm sure you could contact the regular group and ask for a manager) and told them the places that were offering 1.25%. It really wasn't much more complicated than that. Give them examples of places you can get the lower rate (do a Google search and you will find them...and Interactive Brokers as was mentioned here today was one of the examples).
If the Dow closes at a new high (+12.87 or more) I will get a sell signal. As I have stated, though, the sells are not ads good as the buys. I take virtually every buy, but the sells are merely another good data point for me.
ReplyDeleteMy ES trade yesterday would have been a loser had I kept it. I didn't re-enter on reflection cause I was being to aggressive with the system I was using. I'll be buying for bounces...but lower.
ReplyDeleteIn other stuff...
Large volume of contracts blown out on the gold and silver drops this morning. 20,000 gold contracts in 10 min alone.
We have a down wedge type formation on the gold chart (daily). The blowout volume was when we spiked below that bottom line. If we reverse back up above the top line, then the low might be in.
Yes, I have been one continually examining areas where the low 'might be here' and was also saying 'what if we don't drop'.
Those were all valid as a prudent trader. Please note to ALWAYS follow the MONEY when somebody talks cause it tells you where their true bet lies. Except for one failed trade on gold last week, I have continued to be out and watching despite those comments.
At one point soon enough one of those lows WILL be legit and by continually keeping alert to possibilities I hope to catch it.
Hoye
ReplyDeletehttp://www.321gold.com/editorials/hoye/hoye012011.html
"...Our last few publications have been reviewing our Momentum Peak Forecaster.
When speculation in any, or now, in all games becomes intense the Forecaster goes straight up and when it ends it provides the warning. It got to 1.28 and has stopped going up. Anything above 1.21 is in dangerous territory. Typically, the buying mania completes within one or two months. In so many words the frenzy continues until it exhausts.
The last such signal was 1.21 in May 2006 and the high in housing was recorded in that fateful June.
Now we wait...."
Recall I earlier said that it appeared gold would trade to approx 1330 tomorrow based on my read of GLD options. We are getting close and can see how that prediction works out tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteI put some more shorts out when we were up 20. I figured either I get the sell, or we fade and I don't get it. Either way...Still only at 25% of my account or so. Now I need a little room to before I add to positions (or a perfect looking set-up).
ReplyDeleteDG, aren't you over complicating it?
ReplyDeleteI;m not arguing with the prudence, but I mean we're only looking for that waterfall intermediate decline now. So late in the game, is it worth trying to time it? Especially when you don't play leveraged, you could easily place a stop at say 1,300-1,303 area on the S&P and be out a max of 1.5%, but in the game to catch every cent of a potentially massive drop.
Poly: Just not how I do it. A stop at 1305 is just begging to be triggered. Remember how Gary talks about how they go through an obvious level to get the stops hit, (like gold below 1300)? My rarely- being-in-the-hole-for-the-year style means I can take a good heavy shot when convinced the top is in. I am actually not trying to maximize returns, but instead prefer have stable gains year in and year out, and an occasional great year (I was up 30% two years in a row when the stock bull began in 2003 and 2004). There are lots of ways to do risk management and position sizing, IMO. Even more wrong ways, too, unfortunately. If we drop I'll be well ahead for the year even before gold bottoms. That'd be great because I'm going to buy a boatload of PM's and would appreciate the lack of pressure.
ReplyDeleteWorld is awash with corrections calls and this the top calls and other noise. No one is looking for a continue bull run. No position just stating.
ReplyDeletePoly: One other thought. You lose 1.5 % of your account getting stopped out at 1305, and then what? Try again? If you do this 3-5 times you have last a real piece. This is why Gary is against shorting. His picture is you try a bunch of times and are down 7% or so before you get it right. Then you don;t get the bottom exactly and wind up netting 3% or something. Not worth it. I am never down 5% during a year doing it my way, and that's my preference. I'll make plenty if/when we crack once I get some room (what Gary calls, "strong hands.")
ReplyDeleteALERT!
ReplyDeleteCOMEX RAISING Gold and silver margins approx 10% effective tomorrow.
Wow. And they are declining and lower.
The attack continues.
Qualitystocks: Actually the investment surveys, Rydex exposure, options activity, etc. all show that people are expecting a continued bull run. Other than anecdotal stories and "I saw this blog" type of stuff, what statistical evidence is there that a particular investment group is calling for a decline? I'd love to know!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.cmegroup.com/tools-information/lookups/advisories/clearing/files/Chadv11-23.pdf
ReplyDeleteAccumulation/Distribution Ranking & Seasonal Trend updated
ReplyDeletehttp://pressurepointpivots.blogspot.com
Quality, there are indeed many calls for a correction, but almost no one is calling for a longer-term top. I think the surprise here will not be the lack of a correction, but just how severe it turns out to be.
ReplyDeleteBear flag type pattern on the silver hourly chart
ReplyDeletehttp://www.screencast.com/users/Jayhawk1991/folders/Jing/media/b4ba402d-03e0-4cce-88c3-5aebad4eca28
Gary
ReplyDeleteyou mentioned earlier that you expect miners to drop at most another 10%. What is your reason for this given that the correction in the stock market has just started, and it's not even scary yet?
not
Market "looked" like it came back strong...but the Russell still got creamed and closed near the lows. The Transports were similar and so too were the tech's. All the leaders barely recovered in the afternoon.
ReplyDeleteQuality, there are indeed many calls for a correction, but almost no one is calling for a longer-term top. I think the surprise here will not be the lack of a correction, but just how severe it turns out to be.
ReplyDeleteIt is possible....
Hoye is calling for a MAJOR "all market" top. See earlier posts.
ReplyDeleteHoye's public postings can be followed here:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.321gold.com/archives/archives_authors.php?author=Bob+Hoye
the last three or four entries mention his "Peak Momentum Forecaster"
Is Hoye someone we should put faith in TZ? I'm not familiar with him.
ReplyDeleteCongrats on the Minyanville article!
ReplyDeletei'm already seeing a lot of blogs and websites calling for the top in gold and that the bubble has burst and we head down for a few years...
ReplyDeletethis has to be good news for gold bugs
Martin Armstrong is not too high on Gold - http://www.martinarmstrong.org/files/Are%20You%20Ready%20to%20Rumble%2001-05-2011.pdf
ReplyDeleteone thing Gary is the best at is spotting the bottoms. Lets hope he nails this one!
ReplyDeleteLink to the Minyanville article pls?
ReplyDeletebob hoye does an audio interview every friday at howestreet.com, tim woods on there this week too.
ReplyDeleteFrom a technical analyst at one of the large banks.
ReplyDeleteSILVER
The surge higher in Silver from July last year (80%) looks way overdone and very stretched to the
weekly moving averages.
2 weeks ago it posted a bearish weekly reversal at the highs, with momentum divergence and has
now started to fall again.
We would not be surprised to see a sharp capitulation in this trade that could take us back to trendline and 55 week moving average support in the $20.75-$21.25 area.
If so we expect this move will
be very quick-possibly a matter of weeks.
GOLD
Posted a bearish weekly reversal 2 weeks ago and still looks set to head lower.
Good support is met in the $1,235-$1,270 range and we would not be surprised to see a move towards that area.
In addition, a close this month below $1,385 would constitute a bearish engulfing month, further supporting the case for deeper loses in the weeks ahead.
That's a pretty bold prediction, Steven. That large bank wouldn't be JPM would it? :)
ReplyDeleteI'd be surprised if silver even manages to get to $24. Sounds like we're closer to a bottom to me, even if it takes a few weeks to base.
good luck for the tournament Gary..have a great weekend
ReplyDeleteNo, it's a Citi analyst. And he is actually a gold bull. He thinks the top of the bull market will see gold at $6000 and thinks there is a chance of $2000 within the next year or so. This is just his short-term forecast and I'm not sure how much he differs on silver versus gold on the long-term picture.
ReplyDeleteAlso, FWIW, he is pretty much issuing a warning on almost all markets near-term.
ReplyDeleteHere is the summary
Chart of the Week: A bit of a “shiver” in the Equity and Commoditymarkets
• Price action in a number of equity and commodity markets in recent sessions suggests some caution is warranted.
• The overall picture suggests that a quick, sharp and painful corrective phase may be around
the corner.
• The charts below give a good snapshot of the concerning developments in these markets.
Commodities
• There are a number of commodities that are now looking quite shaky in the near term. While
we remain medium term bullish in general we feel that a quick and sharp pullback could be
seen across the board.
Foreign Exchange
• The correction up in EURUSD is approaching an end and we expect a turn back down over the weeks ahead
• The setup on GBPUSD also argues for a move lower at least towards the 1.5350 area. The bearish monthly reversal from November is still valid.
Fixed Income
• Few developments this week. We still expect lower yields in the short term (days / weeks)
before the more dominant trend of higher yields takes over again later.
Emerging markets
• USDINR is testing the double bottom neckline and is still likely to rally over the weeks ahead.
• Equity Indices in India, Mexico, Brazil and Turkey look to move lower.
Hi Gary,
ReplyDeleteSince we are on day 23 of the gold cycle and the duration is about 20-30 days, then should we not expect the bottom of our intermediate decline sometime in the next two weeks instead of the next three weeks?
(Are you thinking we will have a stretched gold cycle?)
James R.
Since the stock market should have at least three weeks before it bottoms the odds are probably high that gold still has another daily cycle down after this one before a final bottom.
ReplyDeleteI do expect the bounce out of the coming cycle low to be very convincing though. Probably enough to sucker quite a few gold bugs back into the sector prematurely.
The key will be the pattern of lower lows and lower highs. If the bounce isn't strong enough to break that pattern in gold AND the miners then its a fake out.
And if gold doesn't at least dip below $1315 then it isn't a final bottom.
Thank you Gary for your explanation.
ReplyDeleteJames R.
I'm getting a big kick out of this gal posting on JPM's Yahoo page.
ReplyDeletehttp://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Business_%26_Finance/Investments/Stocks_(A_to_Z)/Stocks_J/threadview?bn=10073&tid=383860&mid=383860
Blythe,
Your former traders know that you are scouring the whole world for physical silver. Last week, SLV lost over 6 million ounces of silver and today it is reported that SLV lost another 4.45 million ounces of silver more. We also suspect that you are raiding the US Mint as well as other silver ETF based in Switzerland.
There is only one explanation. Blythe must have heard that your former traders have secured the necessary financing to stand for delivery come March 1. Unlike December, they are ready to stand for massive amount of contracts for delivery.
But since Blythe is so desperate and raiding physical SLV from the ETF, do you know what your former traders are doing?
Yup, they are re-doubling their efforts to get even more hedge funds and big investors to help them stand for delivery March 1.
You see, Blythe has convinced the CFTC to impose position limits on the longs but not on themselves which means that the next delivery month of May might not be available to be raided.
But rest assured Blythe, we are coming after you in March. And we are confident that we can raise money a lot faster than you can find physical silver.
How high will you push the price of silver in February? Anthing under $40 and we might be able to bust Comex ourselves.
Either way
You're going home in a body bag,do-da, do-da.....
DG,
ReplyDeleteSorry for taking this long to answer your comment on the previous post, yesterday was a holiday here in my hometown so I was away the whole day.
I´m still in the Euro trade. I will let you know if/when I get out.
Gold hasn't formed a swing low so there's no indication the current cycle has bottomed yet but when it does silver will follow.
ReplyDeleteDG,
ReplyDeleteDid you end up heavily short at the of the day yesterday?
If so, do you have a stop? And/or will you add to your shorts if we trade higher today?
Thanks!
Pima: I am about 25% short. I will not add on strength. A big test is coming up. We got quite oversold and have always snapped back hard from that condition since the summer lows. If we cannot do so now, that would show a change in character so best to wait and see how weak or strong this bounce is before adding. I will add on a rally failure. Not sure where my stop is yet, but I am not too heavy.
ReplyDeletethanks, DG.
ReplyDeleteWill you consider closing shorts if SPX moves above its recent high?
China raises minimum wage 10%, yet we have no inflation. Right.
ReplyDeleteLooks to me like the move up in stocks is something that would be normal and as of right now does not invalidate the idea that the recent high was a top of some kind.
ReplyDeleteSo far spx has retraced between 62 and 78 percent of the move down.
If it goes above 78 percent, odds are it will make a new high.
Maybe another stab at 1300... but I doubt it.
ReplyDeleteFor those that are interested:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.zerohedge.com/article/chinese-silver-demand-surges-four-fold-just-one-year
SSRI has already coughed up 50% of it's gains from July.
ReplyDeleteThe miners have been discounting the impending correction. Once gold starts to near the bottom I expect the miners to resist the downside even if the metals themselves continue down.
ReplyDeleteWell unless we see a massive selling climax in the stock market.
Of course that would just give us an even better buying opportunity...for those that can still pull the trigger.
As I said, there is the bounce. It is very, very rare for a top in a bull market to have a tail end.
ReplyDeletePima: I tend to cover bits at a time on the way up if I feel I am too heavy. Nothing done yet, but I will cover some if we make a new daily high after 7:30. New highs after the first hour greatly reduce the chance of a reversal later in the day.
ReplyDeleteYes normally we would see a couple of rallies that smart money sells into near the top.
ReplyDeleteIt's getting very late in the daily cycle though so unless this is going to stretch past 60 days the topping process should be rather quick.
Some miners hit levels yesterday and today that I wouldn't mind buying, although I expect some muddle through before they head higher. I much prefer to get the direction higher again before loading up.
ReplyDeleteSVM was a special case that I was looking to buy in the low $10's so added yesterday, but still looking to triple the size of my current position. I hope miners close down or flat today, booking another weak close for the week.
DG ... I'm trying to play this short as well ... at what point would you consider abandoning the trade all together?
ReplyDeleteThe cat is already out of the bag, never understood why people want to over complicate it. We're tagging the 50dma no matter what here and that along is a great trade.
ReplyDeleteBeyond that is anybody's guess.
You gotta love odds like that ...
ReplyDeleteI think I'll mortgage the house.
This gal has been on the money in her gold and silver price projection:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.peaktheories.com/
Avann: It's hard to explain how I trade. I am not an all-or-nothing trader. I short when it seems right and cover on the way up, re-shorting when it seems right again. I don't know what it would take for me to abandon the idea given the sentiment readings. I guess i'd have to believe that the Fed has totally changed the game somehow (Hyper inflation causing stocks to rise forever?). I can;t remember ever having been wrong about something like this though. We will go down, so it's a question of risk management and tap-dancing, making sure the damage is small and then adding back at the right time to catch the bulk of the move. i have lost in these situations when the gains that eventually come are smaller than the small losses that have piled up. Even that is rare if you are careful and not stubborn. (This also is an answer to Poly's question yesterday about "Why not just short a bunch now with a stop at 1300?) I am light and will stay so until we get better price confirmation. if we are going to drop 10% i am fine missing a piece of it so long as i am heavy for the heart of it.
ReplyDeleteAvann, there was no suggestion of abandoning risk mgmt, but let's call this setup for what it is!
ReplyDeleteVery interesting chart on Chinese stock market
ReplyDeletehttp://img715.imageshack.us/img715/8839/fxil.png
Jim,
ReplyDeletethanks for the link to Peak Theories. Just took a quick look at gold and the "twin peaks" page. She has a long term forecast for the SPX to hit the 400's within the next 3 years! Yikes!
Poly,
ReplyDeleteSounds like you're giving high odds to SPX tagging the 50 SMA on the daily. That's running at 1239 today, so that will be a nice drop.
I am giving it extremely high odds!
ReplyDeleteEven without a hint of an intermediate decline, the market is going to need a 50dma pullback to find it's next legs.
"The Flaw"
ReplyDeleteTitle of a documentary film coming to Sundance film festival this year. Below is a description of the interview with the film maker that aired last night on local public radio.
Thursday, we're talking about the roots of the financial crisis and why it is that the world's greatest economy is so slow to recover. Doug sits down with returning Sundance filmmaker David Sington. Sington's documentary The Flaw sets out to find answers to the economic questions that are still plaguing America and to ask what should be done if there's a "next time."
Here is a link to listen to the interview, about an hour and quite interesting. If the link doesn't work just search on "KUER radio west" and look for the flaw.
http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/kuer/news.newsmain/article/0/184/1751559/RadioWest.(M-F..11AM..and..7PM)/12011.The.Flaw
or I guess what Gary would call a simple daily cycle low, which we are well within the range for.
ReplyDeletethanks Poly!
ReplyDeleteDavid K: Part of my reasoning (clearly wrong today!) is that to have a stiff correction in the SPX we'd need the dollar to rally, and thus the euro to fall. Do you agree with this, or are you expecting the correlation to cease (or stocks to just not go down)?
ReplyDeleteAny thoughts on the $usd making newer lows?
ReplyDeletethe price action of the stock market is amazingly weak today...I left for one hour and all were rallying, come back to see it much lower! any news? exhaustion ??
ReplyDeleteJC, the dollar lost a fairly important pivot at DX 79 earlier this week. I seriously doubt that level will be regained during this intermediate cycle, especially with a failed daily cycle now in hand.
ReplyDeletePerhaps DX 79 gets back-tested after the current daily cycle finds a low, but I wouldn't count on that, either. I think we're at the stage where the dollar crisis accelerates and drags stocks down with it in crisis. Likewise, I believe gold and silver will find a low sooner than most people expect. We just need one more good panic, probably below the $1325 pivot on gold to blow out stops.
SB-
ReplyDeleteWhy the love fest for SVM? I have it high on my list, but there are other good choices. I think it might dip down to the high 8's
Russell looks gravely ill.
ReplyDeletehttp://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$rut
Poly, Pima, Avann: I added some shorts on the weak rally to up 60. Failing to hold the rally today might be fatal.
ReplyDeleteJay,
ReplyDeleteNo love-fest, just like how it trades and have made lots with SVM in the past. Maybe it's because I have a very low average cost so feel comfortable getting aggressive again should it dip further.
My current position has a $2.20 stop from right here. Like you, I'm hoping it gets hit hard again but I only give that 50/50 odds. I'll be happy even if it even just gets below $10 again, as long as miners get through with this intermediate correction first.
I have several others I like as well, so it's not the only game in town even if it should be on everybody's list.
Welcome friend.
ReplyDeleteI've got beer in the fridge and a warm seat by the fire for you.
SVM also has large percentage spikes with enough volume to offer up great fills when entering or exiting with size.
ReplyDeleteDoc-
ReplyDeleteWhat is the name of your website.
Thank you.
Daniel
ReplyDeleteJust click on his user name here and it will take to a page with his blog link on it, to the lower right.
Thanks SB.
ReplyDeleteCA declares fiscal emergency.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/41189521
CA is in a perpetual state of fiscal emergency! LOL What a mess.
ReplyDeleteDaniel: thedocument.com
ReplyDeleteWhat do people make of the dollar situation?
ReplyDeleteQuality,
ReplyDeleteI don't have much opinion on the USD for a trade. Oversold short term, but long term going lower, so I'll leave it alone. And as it relates to metals/miners, it doesn't seem to offer an edge, simply because the typical inverse relationship has not been reliable. I'm not trading the dollar, and will judge the metals/miners on their own.
Thanks Doc and Onlooker1
ReplyDeleteAppreciated!
Using Feb Gold futures, Kevin Depew on minyanville.com Buzz and Banter showed a qualified break of a DAILY DeMark level at 1350. This means a full 13 countdown to a Buy point should occur. Currently, on bar 5 of 13, so at least 8 more trading days before the Buy Signal records (bars do not have to be continuous). A .382 retracement down level shows 1292, but Depew thinks it could go lower. That 1350 level should now be resistance.
ReplyDeleteSP futures now have active DAILY TD Sequential and TD Combo sells confirmed by a bearish price flip. Short-term 1270.40 is a resistance level - any trades below this level can be bought. If the 1270.40 level is qualified (Up Close, followed by Down Close below that level, followed by Down Open - DeMark qualification rules, crazy I know), then prepare for trend change downside in SP.
coolkevs: Have you tracked this guy Depew and Demark analysis for a long time? Has anyone else here done so? Is it/he any good? There are millions of opinions out there and I like to know who has a good track record.
ReplyDeleteWes's one stock is visiting the woodshed today.
ReplyDeleteDG, It seems this Depew fellow is trying to do technicals in Tom DeMark fashion. Tom is rather famous for advising hedge fund powerhouses on technicals and he has a large list. http://www.marketstudies.com/about/about-tom-demark
ReplyDeleteDOC,
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that gold is going to bottom higher and before most suspect. 1330-1305 I would say; Perhaps within 10 days.
Silver lease rates
ReplyDeletehttp://www.kitco.com/lease.chart.silv.html
anybody want to comment?
I also agree that gold will bottom out at higher prices than most believe, primarily because real assets should experience a flight to quality at some point.
ReplyDeleteThe only potential flaw in this stance that I can see, is that seasonality will not be in our favor much longer.
coolkevs,
ReplyDeleteI'm confused by what you wrote:
"SP futures now have active DAILY TD Sequential and TD Combo sells confirmed by a bearish price flip. Short-term 1270.40 is a resistance level - any trades below this level can be bought. If the 1270.40 level is qualified (Up Close, followed by Down Close below that level, followed by Down Open - DeMark qualification rules, crazy I know), then prepare for trend change downside in SP."
Do you mean 1270.40 is support?
And if SPX trades below that level, SPX is a buy?? or a sell?
TZ, Looks like a sellers market for sure. Wish I had a warehouse full to lease.
ReplyDeleteGary-
ReplyDeleteAt what gold price did this C wave officially launch?
Also, I would like to know the prior cycle (start of the C to peak)...If Gary is off to KC, would anyone else know this?
DG ... thanks for the response and the update.
ReplyDeleteThe reason I asked when I did was because I was heading out for the day ... just got back now ... and I was debating on whether to put a partial stop in before I left.
I put in a stop for 50% at 1300 but obviously it never even got close.
David K: Sold 1/2 my EUO. Looks like dollar is breaking down and has decoupled from the other asset classes. I don;t see how the euro can rally given the scene in Europe, but no point arguing with the markets, which, as the man said, "can stay irrational longer than you can remain solvent."
ReplyDeleteWaiting for a connection in Phoneix.
ReplyDeleteThe C-wave began at $860.
Avann,
ReplyDeleteAs long as your position size is reasonable you could put a stop at roughly 1320 and let thetrade ride figuring if 1320 is hti then Ben is probably going to accomplish the impossible.
Interesting...Was looking at the last yearly cycle on gold/HUI from the Nov lows in 2008 to the highs the next Dec. The HUI retraced 38.2% of the move and found it's bottom there last Feb.
ReplyDeleteStarting from last Feb's low to Dec..We are sitting right at the same level of support.
Probably better if you put your fib's on individaul intermediate cycles. This one began in July.
ReplyDeleteI would be leary about buying before the stock market bottoms. Intermediate cycle lows almost always are severe enought for selling pressure to leak into all sectors.
My only regret to date was not loading up on the QQQQ puts instead of SPY, considering the strength QQQQ had shown in this rally.
ReplyDeleteNasdaq really struggling again today.
Gary,
ReplyDeleteNext time you are waiting at the airport in Phoenix, let me know. I'll come to the airport and buy you a burrito.
E,
ReplyDeleteWell I do have an hour layover on Sunday evening. But I don't think you can get into the terminal without a ticket.
If you ever make it up to Vegas I'll be happy to take you up on that offer ;)
Good Luck with the tournament Gary!
ReplyDeleteAnd enjoy your weekend!
Thanks Gary ... yes, position is only 10% ... I'll reduce half at 1300, the rest at 1320, give Ben the finger if that happens and hopefully recover it in PM's. I rarely short ... but I can afford to play a little with the profits from last year and I'm bored so this gives me something to entertain myself with.
ReplyDeleteYes, I do like to watch the intermediate fibs Gary.
ReplyDeleteI think the HUI has more downside--475 looks about right. We will see...Enjoy KC.
I would give your first level room to at least 1305. I was expecting a tag of 1300 anyway. If you stop out at 1300 you run the risk of covering right at the top.
ReplyDeletePoly: The NDX has a remarkable track record at getting trashed in January. Lots of regular occurrences are not happening, but I'd focus on the Q's for shorting.
ReplyDelete1305 it is then ... thanks Gary.
ReplyDeleteDG,
ReplyDeleteI´m definitely expecting stocks to go down in the next week or so. Common sense says therefore dollar sould go up. But I feel very strong towards the buy set up that we have on the EURUSD. So I expect stocks and dollar to go down together. At some point the negative correlation between dollar and stocks sould break.
By the way, I agree that on the long, long term there are severe problems with the Euro.
At some point a dollar crisis will be a big negative for stocks. I wasn't expecting it until inflation got out of control though.
ReplyDeletePerhaps the marekt already sees it coming and is discounting it.
Hi gary,
ReplyDeleteAny thoughts on the dollar further breaking down today?
Nike,
ReplyDeleteRead my previous comment.
Hi Gary,
ReplyDeletein that case, why is gold down as well?
Time to board. I don't see anything special happening today so I think I will spend the weekend with friends I haven't seen in years.
ReplyDeleteNo weekend report this weekend. I'll be back on Monday.
David K. Thanks for your thoughts. In the long, long term I'll be dead though, and usually don't have that kind of patience. :-)
ReplyDeleteAm focusing on XHB and QQQQ, but thought EUO would work. Oh well.
Have a good weekend.
Nike,
ReplyDeletebecause gold is going through a profit taking correction. Nothing fundamental has changed.
Thank you Gary,
ReplyDeleteGood luck in the tournament. May you win :)..Have a great weekend
Gary,
ReplyDeleteYes, you are correct, but the better restaurants are in the main concourse. Anyway, Vegas is probably a more exciting place to eat a burrito.
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Going out on the lows!
ReplyDeleteI'm short 12 percent via SH. Not feeling the need for a stop. With the overwhelming odds that a yearly low will eventually occur, and agreeing that further fed intervention will cause a steeper drop, i figure the odds are overwhelmingly on the side of patience for winning trade...and if the market goes up 20 percent from here, I would be down 2.4 percent. Not much risk. Like Gaery said, it just adds a level of interest in the game. I will ptramid into a larger position as clarification of a correction ensues.
ReplyDeleteHave a great weekend Gary and all.
Seems like a reasonable strategy Fubsy.
ReplyDeleteI was looking at a small short position, but want to avoid the ultra leveraged funds.
Anyone else have any ideas?
jayhawk,
ReplyDeleteSH is not leveraged, it's just the inverse of the SPY. SDS is double inverse. I like SDS (have a small position as we speak). Even though it's leveraged, I haven't noticed severe decay problems like you see with the triples.
Another thing you could do is buy deep in the money SPY or QQQQ or IWM puts. March or April expiration. Check out prices first, but usually deep in the money options have very little time value, so the option moves almost one for one with the underlying.
Or just short SPY, QQQQ, or IWM... lots of possibilities
Good luck!
:-)
Gary,
ReplyDeleteSo are we not in the most left-translated 4-year cycle in history because you moved the beginning of this cycle up to Spring 2009?
Thanks, And Enjoy KC.
Also do you go back to core at A-wave tops in gold? I'm assuming you do.
ReplyDeleteThanks Gary.
Lastly, in 2008, did you successfully exit the C-wave in the March area, and then what did you do for getting back in for the A-wave? Did you get in near May or did you miraculously wait until around October? Did the Blees ratings help you successfully enter there if you were able to?
ReplyDeleteThanks again Gary, really interesting stuff.
The dollar is breaking down from the megaphone pattern just as my prognisis said it would. No sign of a start of any rally here. Likewise my prognosis from beginning of December that the target for the SP500 breakout from the cup and handle formed since April is ~1430 will be probably realized.
ReplyDeleteNot the least because the pre-election years springs are traditionally strong, as seen on this chart, the so called 'Election Cycle':
http://www.chartoftheday.com/20101231.htm?T
I was looking the the spx chart since 12/01.
ReplyDeleteI see 4 corrections of 14 points, 14 points, 16 points and 25 points.
Could this potentially be a runaway move in stocks with measured corrections ranging from 14 - 25 points?
Here is an annotated chart illustrating my point.
http://i56.tinypic.com/inswgy.png
I know that Gary is not around so I would appreciate the any comments
TROND 56
ReplyDeleteFWIW
Interesting that you say that...
I wasnt going to share this chart here...(except maybe with Jayhawks :)... but your post caused me to reconsider-since I have been trading Equities through Dec and Jan with this charts 'POSSIBILITY" in the back of my mind).
A correction retesting the breakout at the handle is not out of the question(1231 area) and fits an equity pullback that Gary calls for now, just not Armageddon yet...
Dollar does look due to bounce (uup to gap at 23 which is also 50dma)
I drew it in Dec,but as volume dried up on Holiday weeks, I felt it was weakening... but updated it in Jan when upward volume returned.
http://www.screencast.com/t/9IkeUpghPY1
No Recommendation implied to anyone :)
After that last post, I should state that I do...DO EXPECT a slam down in the SPX soon.
ReplyDeleteI just wonder about the GDX being dragged down MUCH with it???
Since Thanksgiving...the spx djia and Nasdaq have gone straight up while the hui/gdx etc have pulled back already.
looking back at Oct 2008 slamdown to MKTS ...to March 2009
GDX bottomed and went from 16 to 37 (double + )
OCT 2008 HUI went from 150 to 340 (double + )
OCT 2008 SPX went from 984 to 666
(severely cut)
I'm up late reading that book Alex (Trade Like An O'Neil Disciple)
ReplyDeleteThe guys are going through their biggest mistakes...Chris talks about the Solars setting up perfectly in 07. He was positioned perfectly and told himself to hang tight even if the market corrected. However, the bearish talk from other traders, the warnings, the claims of the market being similar to 87 messed with his mind. He ended up dumping his huge position in FSLR after it broke out of a C&H when the market weakened one day in Oct. FLSR reversed that day and proceeded to rocket higher while the NAS sold off that fall. So his point is to "Watch your STOCKS not the indexes!"
We could easily see the miners diverge from the overall market--they did so in the early 2000's
Also, these guys are big on picking the big, leading stocks. Makes me want to rethink my strategy and weigh stocks like SLW much higher.
Fun times...it's good to read these experienced traders mistakes and realize I'm not alone. Last year I feel like I blew it to some degree, but I'm over it and really focused on 2011.
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ReplyDeleteJayhawks wrote
ReplyDelete'We could easily see the miners diverge from the overall market--they did so in the early 2000's '
I am feeling the same thing...I have seen the gdx and HUI pulling back to that support and sma 242 the feb low and July low bottomed on..
http://www.screencast.com/t/1aHxUCS8
As I just posted...in the crash of 2008 , the gdx and hui doubled from OCT to March by the time spx bottomed in march.
Will they be crying on cnbc..."flight to safety has resumed-buy Gold' as SPX goes down??
so as you said Jayhawks...I am watching my stocks and even that sector gdx/hui...(not listening to too much else until the chart tells me what IT is going to do)...pass or fail. The former resistance level,which is now support...will 'pass' or 'fail' -----Time will tell.
take care
Gary/All,
ReplyDeleteNext Wednesday as I understand is expiration option on gold and silver. How will this play a role in pricing of the metals? Could we see a further dip in the metals first part of the week? Then after the bounce start?
This was linked via Jesse's blog.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/01/hot-fed-hides-major-accounting-change.html
Accounting Tweak Could Save Fed From Losses
http://www.cnbc.com/id/41198789
"Any future losses the Fed may incur will now show up as a negative liability as opposed to a reduction in Fed capital, thereby making a negative capital situation technically impossible," said Brian Smedley, a rates strategist at Bank of America-Merrill Lynch and a former New York Fed staffer.
Ike / Rod
ReplyDeleteIke
I was wondering the same , BUT...DJIA and SPX and NASDAQ have been running up above their 10 and 20sma. Nasdaq broke down and closed below BOTH this week. That is risky...I.M.H.O.
Rod
I pay close attention to SMART money. The C.O.T. Shows SMART money closing short positions drastically on this pullback. All time lows for this year... less than July Low and Feb low
http://snalaska.net/cot/current/charts/GC.png
Not a precise timing tool, BUT very meaningful. THIS is only with regards to the METAL prices though, not mining stocks- which may get dragged down with the markets.
SPX Correction Looms
ReplyDeletehttp://zealllc.com/2011/spxcorr.htm
Similar arguments to Gary
Did some math on the intermediate cycle-assuming a 200K portfolio. I wanted to see performance of a GDXJ/SIL blend vs. hand picked top silver miners & gold juniors. For my preference, I went with 75/25 silver miners to gold miners ratio. (or 150K of SIL, 50K of GDXJ)
ReplyDeleteFor the hand picked portfolio-(dollar amts)
60K of SLW
20K of HL
20K of SVM
20K of NG
10K of NAK
10K of UXG
20K of SSRI
20K of PAAS
10K of RBY
10K of AXU (by far the best performer)
The SIL/GDJX returned 193K
The hand picked on returned 231K
A portfolio of just SLW returned 266K
If you just went with AGQ-350K return.
Of course, may of these individual miners can lag the next leg up and other may lead...But I'm trying to get a read on the clear leaders coming out of the summer.
Looks like SLW, SVM, HL, AXU...SSRI did pretty well too.
Jayhawks
ReplyDeletewere you a good homework kid in school :)
Nice job (and as you said, thats just considering that they all run the same % next time. You forgot AG..one of my top performers, and recently more scary on the pullback).
Nice little homework report , thanks for sharing
You boys need to get a room. :)
ReplyDeleteI Love you poly!! :)
ReplyDeleteJayhawks,
ReplyDeleteThis may be a dumb question, but why wouldn't one just go with AGQ and be done with it (assuming one buys it on a good dip correction)?
Rod-
ReplyDeleteThe thought has crossed my mind. I may actually put my entire IRA into AGQ on this cycle bottom. (This is not a large amt)
I'd hate to be long AGQ 100% and have the trade go against me. I'd have a hard time sleeping.
FYI-the one year performance of just being in silver (SLV, SIVR) has a better track record than GDXJ (60 vs 40%). So being in a vehicle that is 2x the POS makes good sense.
I know Doc and other just trade the futures. I'd love to know what a 200K portfolio invested in only silver futures would have done from July to Dec.
C79.Guys, there is a thing called risk adjusted return. If simply buying the most volatile thing in the world was the way to get rich, everybody would be doing it and everybody would be rich
ReplyDeleteYes, I realize that. Just thinking out loud on a strategy for the intermediate cycle low. I'm more likely to go with the leaders on the silver mining side...The bigger, more liquid plays with out a lot of resistance overhead.
ReplyDeleteGary did a weekend post after all. Thanks Gary
ReplyDeleteRe: Silver futures,
ReplyDelete/SI=5000 oz. x 13= $65000/contract from $18 to $31. Current margin is $10462/contract but back in July it was ~$6000?
DJIA and DJT look like they are headed for a Dow Theory Sell Signal. Dow continuing up while the leader, the DJT has broken an upward trend line to the down side. Anyone?
ReplyDeleteGary is a baller. A report dispatched on his weekend off.
ReplyDeleteI for one am not one of these people who will be too frazzled to pull the trigger if gold dips below $1300. I'm just getting friggin' impatient for the plunge to happen. If by some miracle it gets down to $1260 I'm hitting up a pawn shop so I have more FRNs to convert to silver. : )
Since no one else has mentioned Turd Ferguson around here, he calls for gold to bottom at $1320-25 probably NEXT WEEK and for $26.50-75 in silver to be the bottom there.
ReplyDeleteTurd is more excitable and emotional than Gary but his blog is a good read, I find:
http://tfmetalsreport.blogspot.com/
Mr Mom-
ReplyDeleteSo 200K would buy you 33 contracts last summer? So 33 x 60K? 2.16M? Wow.
basil,
ReplyDeleteFor a Dow Theory sell signal to be given both the industrial s and transports would have to close below the July low.
Hey Gary, just out of curiosity, why would the transports need to break the July lows, and not say, the Feb lows? What makes July significant? Is it because that correlates with the DJIA most recent significant low?
ReplyDeleteSkogie,
ReplyDeleteIn order for a Dow Theory sell signal to be generated a secondary low point on both averages has to be penetrated on a closing basis.
A secondary low is the same thing as an intermediate cycle low. The last one occurred in July.
Gary, Skogie,
ReplyDeleteif both indices need to break the July low to the downside to generate a Dow theory sell signal, what good is that sell signal? By that time one will have already lost an arm and a leg. Also, I thought there are various steps towards such a final Dow theory sell signal with the first step being a divergence between the two indices, which is what we seem to have here?
Basil
Basil
So how goes the tournament?
ReplyDeleteWell there are other signs that a bear market may have started to get one out. A DOW theory sell signal is a confirming sign not a timing tool.
ReplyDeleteI took first place at the tournament.
Gary,
ReplyDeleteYou had an amazing 2010 but you were early in Feb. What gives you the confidence that you are not early again this year? Is it something in the cycle analysis, ABCD analysis, bigger picture, three year cycle low of the dollar, etc.?
Congratulations on the tournament!
Congratulations, Gary!
ReplyDeleteweekend material has been updated for you all to enjoy!
ReplyDeletehttp://pressurepointpivots.blogspot.com/
Congrats gary
ReplyDeleteCongratulations Gary!
ReplyDeleteJayhawk,
ReplyDeleteAre you a subscriber to either Zeal Intelligence or Zeal Speculator?
Robert,
ReplyDeleteI remember the D wave bottom in '08 as that was the first time I had heard of Gary. Tim Knight posted on SoH that one of his most respected traders, and friend Gary Savage was pounding his fist to buy gold. Gold was at 700 at the time.
I remember taking the trade and watching as Gold instantly went up 70 bucks the next day if my memory serves. Of course, I asked myself, Who is this Gary Savage guy, and was that just luck? Within a few months I was a subscriber. Anyway, Gary nailed the D Wave bottom. Pretty impressive!
Since our host is busy winning tournaments (congrats, Gary), I thought I'd open up my weekend Member letter to anyone on cycle withdrawal...
ReplyDeleteJanuary 23 Member Letter
Enjoy.
My fear now...A brief ramble.
ReplyDeleteWill I miss the bottom by waiting for an intermediate low only to see Gold turn higher and leave these prices behind forever? Should I just begin buying incrementally from here to the bottom rather than wait?
I haven't acted based on this fear, but it keeps ringing in my ears. It would be lovely to hit the bottom within a few days or percent, but the thought of Gold turning higher and never looking back has me itching to pull the trigger. Countering that, the thought of watching mounting losses would create stress. With my current 28% position size I haven't cared about losses. With 50% I would.
Hmmm....Patience.
We cannot not be near the intermediate low for gold yet. It seems that everybody is itching to get in.
ReplyDeleteAt the intermediate low, everybody should be so battered that emotionally they can't pull the trigger.
I think we will get one more good fake out rally -- and draw many gold bugs in and --- wham a big drop to shake them out
Steven,
ReplyDeleteIf you get a subscription you will see that I haven't called a bottom yet. I don't think this is over for gold yet and it's only beginning for the stock market.
One last gap fill on SLV before higher?
ReplyDelete(from 25.35-25.77. Low of 26.54 on 1/21)
http://screencast.com/t/uZ222zRr
(from Duuuuuude at ETF Corner)
Fusby, It would seem to me we need to see some sort of capitulation move before a bottom, hence Gary's talk important levels. After scanning through my charts, I see capitulation in a few stocks. ANV being the most notable, and could be setting up a cup base, but it needs more time to be sure. Most of the small caps I track are still in free fall mode.
ReplyDeleteCatbird-
ReplyDeleteI have not subscribed to Zeal--I did read one of their junior miners reports and thought it was decent. I've just read his free reports from time to time and think he has some good stuff. I've only subscribed to Gary, Doc and the Aden sisters.
PVM-
ReplyDeleteI think the average joe who is long PM stocks is just about at that point. I've got 2 buddies who are long SIL, one just getting in early in Jan. Needless to say, the guy is pretty down these days.
The SMT subs are sitting nicely in cash waiting for our buy point, so we are a bit antsy here watching the dollar fall apart. However, no need to panic guys & gals. We may not catch the bottom, but we will be in the miners with plenty of time.
thank you for the report Doc
ReplyDeleteany thoughts on tomorrow's gold price? will N.york lay the smackdown to create a potential swing low or de we get a bounce or a sideways move?
ReplyDeletei would like to see N. york lay the smakcdown and bring gold down to 1320. here would be a short term buy.
cheers!
PVM,
ReplyDeleteGDXJ and SIL have already retraced more than 50% of their run from august
Take a look at the dollar. Spiked down to 79 and now is rallying.
ReplyDeleteAnd metals are rallying.
Typo
ReplyDeleteDollar spiked own to 78
I am thinking of buying physical gold, can somebody give me some idea for best website. first name that comes to my mind is kitco.com
ReplyDeletei am a long time reader of this blog, i am still short the equities. I dont see any good reason for this sell off to last longer then few days or week. Untill Ben stops giving this support market wont falter. there is no compelling reason for it to happen.
Gary,
you keep saying munis/bonds will fail but what happens if Fed is giving support to them. One possible outcome is after june there would be lot of pressure to stop the QE's and then market falters.
Congrats, Gary!
ReplyDeleteBill-
ReplyDeleteGood reviews here-
http://inflation.us/reviews/
I like Apmex.
Nikeboy help me out, I don't see that 50% re-trace on either of those securities.
ReplyDeleteWay to go Gary! I see the dedication, determination, and hours spent learning how to trade asset classes has paid off in weightlifting as well. Very impressive to become highly skilled in two unrelated areas.
ReplyDeleteBrian,
ReplyDeleteSIL was in the 14's from this rally started...hit 28 and is now in 21's
GDXJ was in the 26's range when the rally started...hit 45 and now is in the 33s
Congrats Gary on winning the tournament...Great job
ReplyDeleteWay to go Gary!
ReplyDeleteThat would be the difference. I show the July bottom at 23.29, and a top at 41.63 for GDXJ. It was a little tricky on the fibs since they both were making higher lows since February, but the general market did not. One of us is getting bad data on GDXJ. SIL data is closer.
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